How Do Options Make Predictions?

Quote from JohnGreen:

Absolutely fascinating discussion!
Here's my take. The famous poet John Donne once wrote a masterful poem that says, among other memorable phrases, "No man is an island, unto himself, alone..."
Human actions are amazing interdependent. Your actions influence everyone around you, and then their actions influence others, so that everything flows outward in concentric circles. What this means for the markets, is that people often seem to act in herds, and things that everyone assumes are independent aren't completely independent. When you discover where the correlations are, you can use them as indicators and predictors that sometimes take a little time to work their way through the markets. Hence, an edge in information flow can be used to advantage.
Secondly, since groups often operate as if they are dumb as posts, someone who thinks a little more clearly, or possibly in a contrarian manner at times can be wiser than the average guy. This does not mean that you have to be smarter. In fact, being smarter can have delusional effects at times (LTCM comes to mind here). Being humbler is always an advantage in the market!

Third, I have traded hundreds of index options. What may come as a surprise to rookie traders is that the price differentials between option series vary quite a lot, and often the skews are fairly substantial which lets you know the directional sentiment of the market in quantitative ways. It also means that just adopting one particular strategy designed for that particular skew may work very effectively if the market is conducive. In fact, many strategies can be implemented with minimal risk if the timing is right for them.

That said, no option strategy is completely risk free when originally implemented, and no one can predict individual stock or index behaviour with 100% accuracy. On the other hand, some may be able to exceed 50% (random)with regularity using some basic notions that apply to all time frames!


John,

I would agree with this statement completely and as I said it could be used as an small edge.

I would add that a lot of floor traders use the options markets to make money as well and I would general class them into a group of the more in the know.

On a side note

I've seen Maestro's set up.

The guy has like $300,000 worth of computer software and hardware and I'm not joking !!

So for anyone hoping they can do this in a practical way, good luck.
 
Quote from dt.trader:

How do you deal with the huge spread on options - bid vs ask? Seems like a fools game to me?

Good Luck.

The wider the bid/ask spread, the better it is for market makers and the worse it is for retail traders. The tighter the bid/ask spread, the worse for market makers and the better for retail traders. So you definitely want to trader options that are liquid and have a tight bid/ask spread.
 
Quote from MAESTRO:

We have learned that a very few people here on ET could intelligently discuss options and their properties. Even less of us could share ideas of their predictive power. The purpose of this discussion is to encourage people to learn more about hidden characteristics of options and their collective behavior so they could appreciate the beauty and complexity of option formations. And who knows, may be using these ideas discussed in this thread some of you might discover the "predictive power of options" and make use of it in their trading. For those who are looking for handouts and simplistic answers I don't donate on Fridays! :cool: :D

MAESTRO, you have simulated enough thoughs here that a bunch of homework has been assigned...:)
 
Quote from poyayan:

MAESTRO, you have simulated enough thoughs here that a bunch of homework has been assigned...:)

Was the missing "t" in "simulated" intentional, or a Freudian slip? :D
 
For those who are still interested. Once you established the stable ratios between the strikes and premiums do the following. Create a drawing where you have 12 lines angled by 30 degrees to each other (much like the numbers on your clock face). Mark each end of the lines with the number that corresponds to a strike price. For example: if your strike prices are separated by 5 points you will have a “clock face” where the strikes will mark each hour. Keep on marking these lines for the entire length of the option chains. Now measure the distance on the “12 o’clock” line that is equal to the ATM Put premium. The line that is similar to “1 o’clock” which is 30 degrees to the right from the first line should be shorter than the first one as the put premium with the strike price that is 5 points OTM is less than ATM put premium. Next measure the put premium for the “2 o’clock” line that is 10 points away from the money. Keep on doing that until you get the spiral with all the strikes and premiums marked similar to the one that I have attached to this post. Notice that you will get a precise Fibonacci spiral and its shape will tell you a lot about upcoming move of the underlying. When the Volatility rises the spiral will “wind” it self up and when it drops it will “unwind” it self. That is the “swarm” behavior indicator I spoke about. The rest of it is Up to you. Enjoy! Mind you that you can also have similar spiral for Calls as well. I call this method “Option Spiral” rather than Option Chains. Of course, my analysis is a lot more complex than that, but this drawing should give you a good idea. The most fascinating part is that the spiral maintains all the Fibonacci ratios at all times (collective behavior).
 

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Quote from Vespasian:

Maestro's old set up

His new office is 3 times this.

Actually, its 8 times that, but thank you for bringing this old picture up. I have warm memories about my first set up.
 
Quote from MAESTRO:

Create a drawing where you have 12 lines angled by 30 degrees to each other ...the spiral maintains all the Fibonacci ratios at all times (collective behavior).
Why do I have the feeling that this is an elaborate joke played on gullible ET members?

And will someone explain how a 30 monitor workstation is useful for algorithmic trading?
 
Quote from Kevin Schmit:

...And will someone explain how a 30 monitor workstation is useful for algorithmic trading?

This is something I don't quite understand either. I have nothing against MAESTRO and I think his setup looks amazing, but that's about it - amazing, jaw-dropping...

As far as functionality goes, hmm, I don't know.

What is the purpose of 24 (as in the original pic) or 192? (if the new is 8 times that) monitors? Other than keeping Samsung or whoever is the manufacturer of those LCDs in business that is? Unless trading is done manually where a bunch of guys visually scan the monitors and look for singals rather than algoritmically!?

An interesting thread otherwise.
 
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