How Do Options Make Predictions?

Has anyone found the relationship between volume and open interest to gauge what the market is thinking about an underlying at all?
 
An interesting vision. I like it. Thinking like that is an example of a creative, intelligent approach to trading. Of course, the challenge is in quantifying the vision and making it robust enough to trade by it. But overall, it is in the general direction of my thinking as well. Good luck!
 
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I am sorry, I cannot. I am under huge obligations to my investors and my hedge funds. I can only tell you that for the first time on this board somebody found it by accident (or not). I have spent an enormous amount of time developing this subject and it is now our main investment strategy. All I can say that digging in this direction will give you the solution. IOW, time well invested! That is all I can tell.

what are the sizes of your hedge funds, returns and drawdowns in 2007 and 2008?

in other words, how big is your option edge and how scalable is it?
 
Quote from Random.Capital:

Imagine the mythical "smart money somebody" learning something that is likely to make an individual stock make a significant move. This person is likely to have at least a little time to think through an action - the easiest action to take that doesn't disturb the market in the stock itself is going long an OTM position. This also has the advantage of (usually) being the most leveraged position as well (assuming they don't do something stupid).

Then you move to the next ring of players. They have second-hand information on this likely big move - but they also know it's second hand information so they are likely to take a position that's somewhat less likely to be "all or nothing".

Then the third ring out, with third-hand information...

Then active retail...

Then passive retail...

Then CNBC...

Then the pro mutual fund manager...

Ok you get the picture.

In each step outwards from the center of information, the confidence in the information gets weaker and weaker. The tendency then will be to take positions nearer and nearer ATM, as it will be perceived as being less risky. Until finally you're at the typical fund level where they're so ATM that they're buying the actual stock.

With each step outward, there should be a jump in IV, or change in Greeks consistent with increased sensitivity to directional movement - starting somewhere way OTM, and migrating inwards towards ATM, until finally the stock itself is moving.


This sounds very logical but - and this is just my experience - this kind of linear logic will get you nowhere in the markets. It just doesn't work that way.

Maestro's "poetic" approach - where money and human herds move in ways similar to a school of startled minnows - is a more fruitful and accurate way of looking at it IMHO. I don't know what his strategy is but in general the way he talks about market behavior rings true.
 
Here is the book I got many of my inspirations from.

http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/books/IntroCyb.pdf

Now the soldier realised what a capital tinder-box this
was. If he struck it once, the dog came who sat upon the
chest of copper money, if he struck it twice, the dog came
who had the silver; and if he struck it three times, then
appeared the dog who had the gold.
(“The Tinder-Box”)
 
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what are the sizes of your hedge funds, returns and drawdowns in 2007 and 2008?

in other words, how big is your option edge and how scalable is it?
This is a good question, it doesn’t have to be answered with specifics though.
Does this information give Maestro an “edge” that takes his returns from something like 9% to 11% per year, or is it much more dramatic than that?
 
Never a dull thread with Maestro on board.

Something to ponder.:)

http://www.bulldogtrust.com/trading.htm

"A POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION:
Analysis was done of a sample strategy based on using put option "insurance" purchases to predict institution-sized IBM stock purchases. It appears the options, being less liquid than the stock, are typically bought first by an institution planning to acquire a stock, to minimize risk. During a recent day, eight significant volume and price spikes were noticed in IBM's nearby out-of-the-money puts, the options favored for insurance.

Tracking the IBM stock at one minute intervals after each of these option spikes showed that if stock were purchased within 30 seconds and sold ten minutes later, these trades would be profitable 80% of the time, with profit averaging 1/4 %. While this was but a third of Medallion's tiny take, it is still twice expenses, mostly commission and spread. Multiplying these eight profits by a 200 day trading year, one gets 1600 times the net margin of one-eighth percent , or 200% gain on the portfolio, which would be 50% on total assets. "
 
Very good! The brightest ET members unite! Getting warmer and warmer. I am glad that the ability to think out of the box is still alive! Very good find! Without saying too much I was a part of this research (and somewhat I still am).
 
Quote from kjb1891:

Has anyone found the relationship between volume and open interest to gauge what the market is thinking about an underlying at all?

Seriously.

OI means nothing - unless you know how or if the options position is hedged.

That's the truth.

mark
 
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