How do illegals get free healthcare?

[failed_trad3r]

Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

What to hear something Crazy. My Dog went to A cardiologist specialist Vet. Got a Full Echocardiogram and internal view of the heart,arteries etc.. with this high end GE Vivid 7 system, the whole works to drain out fluid from the abdomen etc.. about 2 hours. Consultation the whole works.

580 bucks.

For a Human that same procedure would cost 25K+

Something is wrong with healthcare why are procedures 43x more expensive for humans?

because of insurance companies. there is no competition between them, for various reasons. It's the same reason why windows 7 is so expensive. It's a near monopoly

 

[Mercor]

Many cities have free health clinics in various neighborhoods. There are also hospitals run by Goverment that has a hard time sending out bills for payment.

 

[Vinny1]

I heard that MA, ME, VT, NJ, and NY have no medical underwriting and guarantee insurance coverage for everyone. They may not cover pre-existing conditions until a certain amount of time has passed. You would have to check with the insurance carriers in those states. Some states also offer high risk plans for those with pre-existing conditions.

Check out this for more information...

http://www.coverageforall.org/pdf/USDirectory.pdf

 

[jficquette]

Quote from dandxg:

The show up at the ER and can't be refused care. The provide bogus info and get care. The typically own nothing and keep their money in cash so there ain't nothing to go after if you can catch them. They also use multiple aliases.

BTW I am not attempting to demonize illegals. I have just heard how it's done since I come from Southern CA, originally.

I went to the Scripps emergency room here in San Diego in 2002. Turned out I had Pneumonia. The Bill was $350 bucks and I offered to pay before I left but was told that I would be billed. I took it like they were not even set up to collect payment and that it had to be billed by their accounting system

All you have to do it show up and get treated. Collecting money is the last thing they seem to care about.

 

[OldTrader]

Quote from failed_trad3r:

because of insurance companies. there is no competition between them, for various reasons. It's the same reason why windows 7 is so expensive. It's a near monopoly

To think that insurance companies are the cause of higher medical costs seems to be completely off base.

Insurance companies, when you think about it, are simply middle men. They charge premiums for insurance, and then pay some portion of it out for your medical care. My experience has been that the insurance companies generally negotiate the cost of your medical care down, sometimes sharply.

I found it interesting prior to this year that my wife's insurance company, United Healthcare, entered into it's annual negotiations with one of the local hospitals and their doctors for what they would pay for certain types of procedures. They did not reach agreement, so the relationship between this hospital and the insurance company ended. The hospital said they wanted more money than the insurance company was willing to pay. Of course, they painted the insurance company as the bad guy, just as you have done.

I'd say the bad guys when it comes to health care costs are the doctors and/or hospitals.

I recall the time when I had a cold/flu that would not go away. When the weekend arrived I wanted to go to the doctor, but of course he wasn't open. Not wanting to go to the emergency room, I went to one of those urgent care places. I asked how much my treatment would be. And they wouldn't tell me. Essentially, they wanted me to get the treatment, and then tell me what it cost. The fact is that if you ask your doctor what something costs, most of the time they can't tell you. But whatever it costs, the insurance companies will negotiate it down.

OldTrader

 

[Vinny1]

Quote from jficquette:

I went to the Scripps emergency room here in San Diego in 2002. Turned out I had Pneumonia. The Bill was $350 bucks and I offered to pay before I left but was told that I would be billed. I took it like they were not even set up to collect payment and that it had to be billed by their accounting system

All you have to do it show up and get treated. Collecting money is the last thing they seem to care about.

Will hospitals treat cancer if you don't have insurance?

 

[Hombre]

Quote from number22:

OP has 2 issues here; first, illegal getting health care though ER. Second, it is in the best interest of hospitals/doctors to rack up more fees though legitimate patience to cove expenses of caring illegal, ER care can be expensive, but real treatment can cost even more. I hope I'm getting everything straight here.

You are right on illegals but they are getting not only the ER care but also follow up care usually via county indigent health care reimbursement programs to the hospitals and clinics( paid by taxes )..

You are somewhat wrong on doctors and hospitals raising the fees using the excuse they have to cover their unpaid services. Truth is that doctors are morally corrupted to the point they actually performing unnecessary procedures just to generate an income stream, prescribing medications which don't work to earn sales commission etc..It has nothing to do with illegals they are doing it because they arte greedy mofos.

 

[tmarket]

The following was published in 2006 and it remains the reason that we need some kind of health care reform. Whether it is the current health care bill or other reforms, both parties should work together and not just offer demagoguery.

Medical treatment for illegal immigrants is a growing problem complicated and inflated by elements of jingoism, fear, and cultural identity. It is nevertheless just a small subset of this country’s larger problem of uninsured healthcare. Despite the current political furor around them as election year fodder, the 11 million illegal immigrants distributed around the country represent too small a sample of uninsured indigents to statistically affect the larger problem the individual states confront in caring for all the patients who can’t pay their medical bills because they are uninsured.13 Congress, and the insurance lobby, roundly rejected a detailed program for national health insurance in 1994, and no federal official has stepped forward in the years since to propose a plan that will guarantee medical coverage to everyone as a basic human right. Schroeder noted that, “A constant feature of health care in the United States is our national willingness to tolerate having large numbers of people without health insurance. This is in stark contrast to the situation in virtually every other developed country, where guaranteed health insurance is provided either by the state or through employers, with government backup for the unemployed. Whatever the number of uninsured people, we put the values of the entire health care system at risk by accepting their condition as inevitable.”14 At its Board of Delegates meeting in Chicago this year, the American Medical Association recommended that all Americans who can afford it be required to purchase health insurance, with premium surpluses used to support the care of indigent patients. The state of Massachusetts has recently passed landmark legislation requiring that all state residents have medical insurance.15Under the bill, plans would be offered by private insurers but be subsidized by the state. Impoverished residents would have premiums and deductibles fully paid for by the state. Poor but solvent residents would pay at a means-tested reduced rate. Individuals who can but don’t buy coverage would lose their personal state income tax exemption and be charged an annual state fee equivalent to half the annual premium rate of the cheapest available policy. Employers who don’t agree to offer health insurance coverage would face fines of about $300 a year per employee, a charge the state expects will raise about $45 million a year. These and other fines and fees would be used to subsidize premium charges for poor and indigent patients. No exception for undocumented foreign nationals was written into the bill, guaranteeing their access to the same health care as legal immigrants and citizens of the state. Community leaders cited the “spirit of generosity and respect for the dignity of the person written into this bill,” acknowledging its soundness as ethical policy. It is a unique and possibly definitive solution to the issues of universal coverage and indigent care without regard to extraneous conditions such as immigration documentation. Although legislation of this sort will not solve the immediate problem of assigning financial responsibility for the care of our patient, it is an excellent application of the principles described in our Option E, and we believe it is an ethical and effective choice. Bertrand Russell captured the essence of the problem well when he stated, “In America everybody is of the opinion he has no social superiors, since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors, for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal applies only upwards, not downwards.” In the receipt of necessary medical care, we cannot allow a social underclass to exist in the world’s richest nation.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=57a363b971d43b5c84940e442f9f1a42

 

[spinn]

Quote from Hombre:

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You are somewhat wrong on doctors and hospitals raising the fees using the excuse they have to cover their unpaid services. Truth is that doctors are morally corrupted to the point they actually performing unnecessary procedures just to generate an income stream, prescribing medications which don't work to earn sales commission etc..It has nothing to do with illegals they are doing it because they arte greedy mofos. [/B]

American drs are amoral criminals and rarely do what is in the patients interest, they do what costs the most.

The sheep do not realize that most AIG/enron/GS would be ashamed to do what drs do every day.

 

[Nanook]

Quote from OldTrader:

To think that insurance companies are the cause of higher medical costs seems to be completely off base.

...wife's insurance company, United Healthcare, ...

United Healthcare owns (9) corporate jets:

(2) Cessna 680
(1) Embraer EMB-135BJ
(1) Dassault Falcon 2000EX
(3) Hawker 800XP
(2) Gulfstream GV-SP

Source: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...?Nametxt=UNITED HEALTH&sort_option=1&PageNo=1

(# of corporate pilots for each is unknown)

Executive annual compensation in the millions: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=UNH

"Our Approach: We're in the business of helping people live healthier lives." http://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/main/Default.aspx

But at what cost are you helping me? (Disclosure: my new company's insurance provider is UNH)