How do hedge funds hide order execution?
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Dark pools ATS/ECN's like BIDS, Liquidpoint etc..
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Only the very large and famous hedge funds hide their orders, i.e. Reinassance.
Usually they use several brokers.
Be aware that even the large hedge funds manage small amounts compared to the vast amounts large brokers manage for all their clients.
Let's suppose you know Reinassance clears trough Goldman.
In the tape you watch Goldman is buying for their client accounts, are all those trades for Reinassance?
Of course not, Jim Simons is only a percentage of all the customers in Goldman Sachs.
Even a former neighbor had an account at GS.
The preferred method for Hedge Funds to keep trades out of public view has evolved to be dark pools. The number of dark pools and amount of volume executed via these venues has increased greatly over the past couple of years.
More information can be found here:
http://hingefire.blogspot.com/2007/02/dark-pools.html
More information can be found here:
http://hingefire.blogspot.com/2007/02/dark-pools.html
it's not all dark pools. That's just as tough to hide, not get gamed, etc. They're using a combination of brokers, DMA, and using old relationships to try to keep things quiet. There will always be some form of leakage. Also, you'll see these guys ALWAYS looking fo rnew methods, technologies, etc - that's why buy side trading conferences are all about. No algo is going to mask it all.
Some tend to try to use brokers where there is huge, anonymous quant type flows. It's a good way to snake in some names before people realize what's going on. They have to mask huge orders anyway they can, because guess who the phone brokers call once they have a large order? Yes, the natural on the other side.
It's not just dark pools....
Some tend to try to use brokers where there is huge, anonymous quant type flows. It's a good way to snake in some names before people realize what's going on. They have to mask huge orders anyway they can, because guess who the phone brokers call once they have a large order? Yes, the natural on the other side.
It's not just dark pools....