I read somewhere that if you simply buy 5 stocks, 1 may go down , 3 flat and 1 up , just sell the ones that go dn and keep the one that goes up. I guess that's kinda what spyder was alluding to in a very simple form. When I trade the es/nq I churn then get burned but when I buy a little basket and dump losers I make some money. Maybe it was in O'Neil's book, but think about trying to pick five winners on Sunday or losers for that matter. It's real hard but if you could hold your winners on Sunday and dump losers quickly then maybe you could make some money with the bookie. Doesn't this opportunity arise in the market but not with the indexes?