How did you get capital?

Sources of funding of those I personally know...

1) Worked extra hours or worked another job...saved their money

2) Sold an asset and then lived cheaply (e.g. sold auto and then biked/bus to work, sold house and then moved into a cheap apartment, got another roommate in apartment to cut expenses in 1/2)

3) Took out a low interest personal loan...but the trader was consistently profitable for 14 months

4) Borrowed funding from family after showing verified documentation of profitability. Paid back with no interest (its family).

5) Stop trading for awhile and worked multiple jobs until proper capitalization was reached.

6) Traded prop firm for awhile

7) TopStepTrader.com

Myself, I was partially funded by my parents and I saved for the rest prior to the first trade. Simply, I was properly capitalized out of the gate.
This topsteptrader allows to trade futures only.
That's a good idea to trade at prop desk. Any advises how to communicate during an interview with them?
 
OPM won't look at you if you are under capitalized regardless of your record. And if you have alpha then that 2% rule is quite silly IMO, unless your freq is quite high. So what are you left with? Leverage. Lots and lots of leverage.
 
In high school we had a new 'Leadership' class my senior year where they actually tried to teach us useful things like investing and how to balance a checkbook. I tentatively raised my hand and asked if a person could borrow money to invest in stocks. The teacher was stunned. He asked the class to pay close attention and listen carefully to what he was about to say. Then he said, "See this boy? He will be the first in this class to become a millionaire!"

Never have dumber words been spoken. That was the worst advice anyone ever gave me. Never borrow money to trade with. Better to work hard and earn it. Then you will be far more vigilant in protecting it. Losing borrowed money is a lot more likely than losing money it took you months or years to save.


your teacher got a point: it is unethical to let suckers to have their money, and most big money, in finance especially, were made using OPM

the problem with opm is that how you trade becomes very soon basically irrelevant, whats relevant is how much opm can u bring (Sales rules), and how much bullishit you can make your lenders eat , while steel keeping them happy at the same time (that is a special talent on its own) :)

so you either a salesman or you are a trader

nothing is in between
 
When it comes to borrowing, trading and investing are different.

Yes, it is risky to borrow money to trade. But an investment is something one holds for a long period of time.

As an investor, suppose I buy shares of KO, a company with a 50+ year record of paying a dividend that currently yields 3.3%. I can borrow money from IB for 1.2%. So in this case, if I am in KO for the long haul, I would be an idiot if I did not leverage. I am sure one can make the arguments that there are better stocks than KO, that this is not the ideal time to buy that stock, and that buy and hold is an inferior investment method. All true, but I offer this as simply one example.

One should not leverage to the max because the market may fall. The leverage ratio should be small enough to permit the investor to stay the course during a major, unexpected market drop.
 
Your teacher was right! Anyone who makes it big trading trades OPM--- sure there are a few who eeek out a living with small accounts, but unless you are wealthy or run in the right circles, borrowing money is the only way you WILL EVER MAKE anything of yourself as a trader. That is if you want to be comfortable---

surf

No. My teacher was wrong. There is a vast difference between earning fat performance fees for running a hedge fund containing OPM... and borrowing money yourself. World of difference. Cannot be compared.
 
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Stole it...from the market...i hear they want it back, with interest...:p
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Your teacher was right! Anyone who makes it big trading trades OPM--- sure there are a few who eeek out a living with small accounts, but unless you are wealthy or run in the right circles, borrowing money is the only way you WILL EVER MAKE anything of yourself as a trader. That is if you want to be comfortable---

surf

Your comment is idiotic.
 
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