How could this fool ever be elected president of the united states?

[Tsing Tao]

This country can never get a strong third-party, because people can't handle too many choices, and there is a certain herd mentality when it comes to this sort of thing. Plus, our dual-party majority has been ingrained in generations of voters, and there's really no way to overcome that.

I agree with Ricter - people can handle more choices. We're just never going to be allowed to have them.

 

[virtusa]

I dont disagree that 4 more years of Trump will be worse than four more years of Biden.Im voting Green Party to prevent future democrat presidents from governing like Biden.If Biden wins a 2nd term future democrat presidents know they can govern like Biden and still win a 2nd term.Progressives,blacks,hispanics, and climate voters need to let them know that they wont imo.

Trump was, and will be, a brainless president. He attracts brainless voters.

That's a no-brainer.

 

[Cuddles]

Rewarding a democrat president as bad as Biden with a second term is worst than 4 years of Trump, Desantis etc.It tells the democrat party they can do nothing on healthcare,police reform,college debt or free state college,criminal justice reform,abortion rights,increasing taxes on the rich ,issue a 1,000 more oil drilling permits than Trump,cave to republicans on debt ceiling/budget deals,downright stab the people who voted for you on multiple issues in the back etc and still win a 2nd term because the republican is so bad.Biden winning a 2nd term assures future democrat presidents will be just like him as they know they wont have to do anything or keep any promises to win a 2nd term.

Id rather let the democrat party know that their vote for our conservative democrat nominee or you get a republican president bluff will be called.

I dont disagree that 4 more years of Trump will be worse than four more years of Biden.Im voting Green Party to prevent future democrat presidents from governing like Biden.If Biden wins a 2nd term future democrat presidents know they can govern like Biden and still win a 2nd term.Progressives,blacks,hispanics, and climate voters need to let them know that they wont imo.

You need to wake up then. All those hypotheticals are irrelevant if Trump wins again.

 

[Tony Stark]

You're taking the "long view." Meanwhile, Trump, if elected, will destroy democracy and your country in the shorter term. Good luck with that.

We've been taking the short view since Clinton.Results=Roe V Wade reversed(with a dem president opposed to expanding The SC),no healthcare for all,taxes on the rich extremely low,6-3 Supreme Court,Gerrymandering in The House still allowed,GOP still has a huge advantage in The Senate with the low population states,affirmative action overruled,GOP voter suppression is allowed,police still allowed to terrorize citizens,no free state college,no immigration reform,weak regulations,wall street runs wild,environment continues to be destroyed etc

Playing the short game we've had 3 democrat presidents that had both Houses of Congress that could have changed all of the above.If Dems are going to allow the above,there is no point in voting for them imo.

 

[Cuddles]

The numbers may be accurate but they make no sense.

I need to see a poll of "will you be voting and for who?" in these xyz scenarios. Disapproval is meaningless. Millions like me disapprove but will vote the guy in again.

 

[Tony Stark]

Disapproval is meaningless.

Trump had a 53% disapproval rating,he didn't get 53 % of the vote

 

[Cuddles]

What I'm saying is that democrats not voting, and anyone else voting for a third party candidate, will be helping put Trump back into power. I know I know, that's the old, tired objection, and it won't help the country get a strong third party going, but it is once again, imo, the ugly reality.

It's systemic, a 3rd party is meaningless in this country (timestamped):

 

[Tony Stark]

I need to see a poll of "will you be voting and for who?" in these polls. Disapproval is meaningless. Millions like me disapprove but will vote the guy in again.

 

[Tony Stark]

I need to see a poll of "will you be voting and for who?" in these polls. Disapproval is meaningless. Millions like me disapprove but will vote the guy in again.

Sept 2019

 

[virtusa]

On each meeting from the President of the US with other high placed politicians from other countries, there is a person who makes a script of the conversation. That script can be is kept and can be consulted in the US to see what was spoken about.
When Trump meet with Putin, the script writer was denied acces to that meeting by Trump. You can already guess what Putin and Trump were speaking about. Putin has money and Trump has valuable information. Trump can even today still give hard copies of top secret document (Mar-o-Lago) to Putin. We all know how "patriot" Trump, who never was in the army, prefers $$$ above patriotism.