How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

Cuddles said:
it remains a conspiracy until facts are presented.
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There's a lot of circumstantial evidence now, building a case for means, opportunity, and motive for the US doing it, but still nothing except a weak imo motive for why Russia would have done it.

But if you're okay with this if the US did it anyway, why continue to debate it?

(By the way, the methane emission must be a necessary "unintended consequence" in your view then, too... ?)
 
Ricter said:
There's a lot of circumstantial evidence now, building a case for means, opportunity, and motive for the US doing it, but still nothing except a weak imo motive for why Russia would have done it.

But if you're okay with this if the US did it anyway, why continue to debate it?

(By the way, the methane emission must be a necessary "unintended consequence" in your view then, too... ?)
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the "circumstantial evidence & motive" is on par w/Russia or Ukraine having done it, so I don't see why Russia gets a pass. No, I don't think Russia would give a damn about methane emissions given their energy policy and peat use, no, I don't think Ukraine would give a damn about methane emissions given the more immediate threat of annihilation.

I'm sure the Russians have a shutoff valve on either end so them choosing to make a spectacle for the media by letting it bubble tracks.

I continue to "debate it" the same reason I push back against any other misinformation on here.
 
Russia is not getting a pass, but at this time the case against NATO is stronger.

No one may care about the methane emissions, that must include you necessarily if you're okay with the US if they did it. I doubt Russia left any taps open, as far as I know the emission was of only the gas needed to pressurize the pipeline. Unless you have any evidence Russia left a tap open.

You continue to debate it because you do care if the US and NATO are responsible.
 
Ricter said:
Russia is not getting a pass, but at this time the case against NATO is stronger.

No one may care about the methane emissions, that must include you necessarily if you're okay with the US if they did it. I doubt Russia left any taps open, as far as I know the emission was of only the gas needed to pressurize the pipeline. Unless you have any evidence Russia left a tap open.

You continue to debate it because you do care if the US and NATO are responsible.
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yes, even if we did it, methane emissions having an impact in the future are less than monies going to Russians killing Ukrainians in the immediate. I have not read anything saying it was just "gas in the pipe" and doubt it given the amount it ran for.

No, I continue to debate it because undermining Ukrainian efforts to seek sovereignty with some half baked "proxy war" bullshit argument is to side w/an authoritarian homicidal regime.
 
Ricter said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1623640136025051138
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Cuddles said:
shame so many journos have lost their god damn mind as of late:

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bin-laden
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ant-why-some-who-worshipped-him-no-longer-do/
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/seymour-hersh-bin-laden-raid-officials-criticism-117826
https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/11719/
https://web.archive.org/web/2016020...-reports-about-the-mideast-generated-1.223615
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/192442-wh-hersh-report-simply-false/
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/archived/hersh.htm
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3624163/Many-sources-but-no-meat.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/hersh.access/index.html
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https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/whatever-happened-to-seymour-hersh

Hersh w/fellow "investigative journalist" and totally not conspiracy theorist:

 
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