Homage to Herzliya; Homage to Herzliya

A person who is constantly mugged, is either unlucky or a magnet for mugging...and enjoys playing the victim.

It may take time, but eventually the masses are going to see through the pseudo victimization, followed by self righteous rationalization of aggression manipulation for what it is...

That's what mixing of cultures eventually brings, everyone else knows each cultures manipulative games...

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

the truth is revealed in the fact when violence btwn jews and palis ceases, the violence btwn palis continues, when they arent killing jews, they are killing each other! do you see jews with different opinions about palis killing each other in israel?
if someone comes to mug you tonite, and you defend yourself, would that be wrong? what about tommorow night, if it happens again would you be wrong for defending yourself even though you had done it the night before? what about next week? no matter how many times someone comes to cause you harm you aren't wrong for defending yourself...
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

You claim evasion, I claim false victimization and attempted manipulation mixed with aggression.

So there...

You really think your game is novel?

You're too easy. I would have given you EXACTLY what you wanted so badly, just a couple posts ago- Reasons why I <b>don't</b> think Israel is 100% right or 100% blameless. All you had to do was complete the simplest of tasks, yet your worm infested troll mind just couldn't allow you to do anything remotely resembling cooperation. Poor little troll... back under the bridge you go...
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

If only your people had kept your end of the Oslo Accords!

In 1993, Israel began the process of complete withdrawal from nearly 100% of the disputed territories, on the path to creating an independent Palestinian State. Israel not only allowed a Palestinian police force to be created in good faith, they even provided the machine guns! All your side had to do was gracefully accept our surrender and react peacefully as Israel met nearly all your demands one by one- but apparently that was asking too much.


What you wanted is to have a Malkey and Karazai of Palestine. What you wanted is our own police shooting us on the spot for resisting your settlements expansion, your occupation soldier's oppression. What you wanted is for my police to protect you when you demolish our homes and destroy our farms and businesses.

When your Sharon went to Al Aqsa mosque and when Barak decided to weasel him by killing 32 civilians for no crime other than throwing shoes and chairs. Our policemen acted against the role you defined for them by defending these civilians, you remember what you did to these policemen Rearden??? You massacred many of them 5 sleeping officers in here, 13 other in a building in there and so on and so on.

In regard to meeting our demands, I am starting to think that you really belive that! Your settlements buildup and expansion never stopped, your land and natural resources theft never stopped and your economic strangulation never stopped. You do not know shit Rearden. You might be a good man but you are naive!! You know your state better than anyone else and you know that their objective is anything but permanent peace. You Shamir said it and acted upon it, your Sharon bragged about it and acted upon it and the only one who was genuine about peace was killed by your relegious extremists.
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

I'll make you a generous offer, Mr. Troll: You name some things the Palis have done wrong, and I'll give you just as many items from the other side, if you'd like. (Edit: Stuff like 'They're wrong to fight amongst themselves' doesn't count. List wrongdoings toward Israel.)

You are a man that I think is honest enough to have a dialouge with!

Palestinians did a lot of wrong! Suicide bombing was wrong, killing Israeli civilians (not soldiers and armed settlers) was wrong, kidnapping is wrong and corruption in the Fateh leadership is wrong.

I am not going to get into what is your state doing wrong...I'll leave that between you and yourself.
 
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

it seems as though israel is the jew of nations, and as such dosen't have the rights that other nations have. such as, self defense? what other nation would be critisized for shooting back after it had rockets fired at it, and it's soldiers kidnapped? seriously... these aren't acts of war?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh...That is why you were hostile toward me!!!

Anyway...Israel shot back??? Are you drunk??? Who started the invasion after the capture of the two Israeli soldiers who were in a battle field in an occupied land???
 
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

the truth is revealed in the fact when violence btwn jews and palis ceases, the violence btwn palis continues, when they arent killing jews, they are killing each other!


Naaaaaaaaaaaaa! Just assassinating their own prime ministers, bombing their own synagogs and ships and handing over Hungarian Jews to the Nazi. This is just to list what we have caught them red handed doing!

do you see jews with different opinions about palis killing each other in israel?

Yes!! Read above!!!

if someone comes to mug you tonite, and you defend yourself, would that be wrong?

But it is you who is the mugger chump! It is you who is the thief and the killer and destructor! So your argument, as twisted as it is, is right!!!

what about tommorow night, if it happens again would you be wrong for defending yourself

Right again Chump...Read above!!! You are the one who is stealing three territories of three countries MofO
 
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

oh come now wael, if israel just wanted to come in and kill/remove the palis, guess what, THEY COULD, are you telling me that israel dosent have the capability to remove or kill every pali in the territories in 48-72 hours tops? if thats what their intentions were THEY WOULD DO IT! come back to earth

No they couldn't dumbass!!! They know that we will not be uprooted again and therefore, the only way to clean us out is through a "Holocaust"! Guess what will happen to the only marketable Card the Zionists have in their hand to manipulate the world with?!
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

I actually could list a few areas where I feel Israel is culpable of wrongdoing toward the Palis... but that's not what I came into this conversation to do.

I'll make you a generous offer, Mr. Troll: You name some things the Palis have done wrong, and I'll give you just as many items from the other side, if you'd like. (Edit: Stuff like 'They're wrong to fight amongst themselves' doesn't count. List wrongdoings toward Israel.)
if this was a genuine offer and you are game, then thats definitely the way to go... dialogue...

but perhaps zzzzz is right to say that dialogue doesn't start with pinning the blame onto the other party... particularly when its far from clear who is responsible for the collapse of the oslo accords... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords#Criticisms_of_the_Oslo_Accords and how the assassination of Rabin has impacted the whole process...


why not try to focus the dialogue on a sensible way out of all this?


i could be totally wrong of course but i believe the question of the right of return / fair compensation for waiving it on an individual basis, is still a key point for instance..... http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1500505&highlight=right+of+return#post1500505

thoughts?
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

A person who is constantly mugged, is either unlucky or a magnet for mugging...and enjoys playing the victim.
this is irresponsible... honestly u need help...
 
Quote from 2cents:

if this was a genuine offer and you are game, then thats definitely the way to go... dialogue...

but perhaps zzzzz is right to say that dialogue doesn't start with pinning the blame onto the other party... particularly when its far from clear who is responsible for the collapse of the oslo accords... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords#Criticisms_of_the_Oslo_Accords and how the assassination of Rabin has impacted the whole process...


why not try to focus the dialogue on a sensible way out of all this?


i could be totally wrong of course but i believe the question of the right of return / fair compensation for waiving it on an individual basis, is still a key point for instance..... http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1500505&highlight=right+of+return#post1500505

thoughts?

The ROR is a pillar of our struggle! Having me saying that, we have made it amble clear that it is illogical for all Palestinians in the diaspora and in refugee camps in the surrounding Arab state to be returned. A compensation for their loses, not necessary paid by the state that caused our misery, could be a substitute for the vast majority of victims.

What is more important that the compensation is the moral acknowledgment of the crime committed against us by the zionist state. This, in my opinion and the vast majority of our people, is the first step in healing the wounds and bridging the gab between us. Compensation without acknowledgment is a bigger crime.
A drunk driver may compensate a victim for running him over but if that driver admit and acknowledge his crime, that driver will re-offend.
 
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