Holy grail of daytrading

Quote from illiquid:

For daytrading? Seriously? That's like saying if the Lakers only played Kobe for his best 5 games every season the team would have a much better record.

If your 10 best daytrades for the year net more than all your trades combined, you are in the wrong time frame.

In any case, if you even tried to limit yourself to the 10 "best", you'd probably miss out on 9 of them. My guess is I could only anticipate 1 out of 10 "home run" trades before they've panned out; the rest just happen and you take/keep advantage. This holy grail is just another fallacy involving statistics and market performance.

Daytrading, swing, doesn't matter. The best traders often say that 10% of their trades account for 90% of their net lifetime earnings. 90% of their trades are just small probes and cash flow trades. When the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor, your exposure should be 10-50x your normal bet size with a proper tier method.
 
Quote from illiquid:

For daytrading? Seriously? That's like saying if the Lakers only played Kobe for his best 5 games every season the team would have a much better record.

If your 10 best daytrades for the year net more than all your trades combined, you are in the wrong time frame.

In any case, if you even tried to limit yourself to the 10 "best", you'd probably miss out on 9 of them. My guess is I could only anticipate 1 out of 10 "home run" trades before they've panned out; the rest just happen and you take/keep advantage. This holy grail is just another fallacy involving statistics and market performance.

There are market conditions that have led to positive returns within 1 week 100% of the time with sample sizes dating back to 1900 which still occur to this day. There are quite a few with a 70% positive expectancy. The issue as I pointed out in this thread is that the losses incurred in between from over trading limits one's ability to fully exploit maximum profitability either because of emotional & mental fatigue, capital opportunity costs, slipage or commission churn.
 
Quote from Lights:

Daytrading, swing, doesn't matter. The best traders often say that 10% of their trades account for 90% of their net lifetime earnings. 90% of their trades are just small probes and cash flow trades. When the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor, your exposure should be 10-50x your normal bet size with a proper tier method.

For daytrading, I don't think this applies. Other time frames it would be far more pertinent.

It's always easy in retrospect to take "top ten" stats and say what if.

But the issue is, in real time you would be trying to apply 50x your normal bet size in a situation where you are not yet sure whether it will be a home run or not. You would blow out quite quickly doing this.

I know if I tried this in the stock market, I would kill alot of my own "home runs" trying to push size on a trade where it doesn't exist.
 
I think, the answer to this thread is you need to make your best trades all your trades. Kind of like you need to make your second wife your first wife.
 
Quote from illiquid:

For daytrading, I don't think this applies. Other time frames it would be far more pertinent.

It's always easy in retrospect to take "top ten" stats and say what if.

But the issue is, in real time you would be trying to apply 50x your normal bet size in a situation where you are not yet sure whether it will be a home run or not. You would blow out quite quickly doing this.

I know if I tried this in the stock market, I would kill alot of my own "home runs" trying to push size on a trade where it doesn't exist.

Trading is always a bet on an uncertain future, and exposure should be a function of probability. I agree though on blowing out, and going max exposure should be limited to one's understanding that 50x your smallest bet isn't more than x times margin depending on what instrument you trade and time frame. One of the most difficult things for a trader who overtrades and effectively cuts winners and losses on a daily basis is to add into a winning trade and then do nothing. This is because this trader has rewired his brain over many years into scurrying habits.
 
Quote from illiquid:

For daytrading, I don't think this applies. Other time frames it would be far more pertinent.

Actualy when i think about it, I agree.. Daytrading is more a market making type of endeavor and rarely a speculative event so would agree it does not apply as much. Having said that I have never met a strict discretionary daytrader who has made more than a few million in a year and that is the 1% of the 1%. And more than half of those blew out several times. Point being, profit is capped when constantly overtrading compared to what some top traders have accomplished when selectively trading with the same buying power
 
Livermore wrote about this in his 1940 book.

I actually squeeze out a decent profit with my intraday strategies, but the real wealth has been created by my position trades. I usually see an opportunity once or twice a quarter.

The problem is that most people can't follow the global markets for hours a day and only trade every few months.

Sometimes less is more...
 
Quote from logic_man:



The stat that's floated around for years from Steve Cohen is that his best traders are right a little less than 65% of the time. Given that Cohen can definitely afford to wait for "fat pitches", why didn't he say his traders were right all the time by just waiting for the creme-de-la-creme of market setups?

His mkt wizards interview stated much lower %s. I think it was "my best guy gets it right 53% of the time".

53% of the time, the best traders in the world. Think about that. This game is about base hits, not home runs...
 
Quote from bwolinsky:

If the holy grail is to only take your best trades, naturally that's not possible to do consistently, but you can leverage up your high probability setups if you have two algorithms with 70+% win percentages so that when they agree you bet larger than you otherwise would have.

This is assuming you have at least 2 holy grails.

70% hit rate? And two of them at that? You are delusional.
 
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