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Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers and killed up to seven Israelis
- Thread starter ZZZzzzzzzz
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Good job Hezbollah!
Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan are pretty much all the same country. They are artificially created after WW1 and should all be part of Syria like they have been for hundreds of years. The Jews must realize that killing Arabs in Palestine is the same as killing Arabs in Lebanon or Syria. They can't expect to kill Palestians without the Lebanese Arabs responding to it. Israel will never be able to destroy the de-centralized Hezbollah. No matter how many Maronites will sympathize and support Israel, Hezbollah will always remain a pain for the Zionists!
I can also understand that if the Lebanese Shia youth watches this kind of Television programming, they will not feel much pity for the Zionists.
Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan are pretty much all the same country. They are artificially created after WW1 and should all be part of Syria like they have been for hundreds of years. The Jews must realize that killing Arabs in Palestine is the same as killing Arabs in Lebanon or Syria. They can't expect to kill Palestians without the Lebanese Arabs responding to it. Israel will never be able to destroy the de-centralized Hezbollah. No matter how many Maronites will sympathize and support Israel, Hezbollah will always remain a pain for the Zionists!
I can also understand that if the Lebanese Shia youth watches this kind of Television programming, they will not feel much pity for the Zionists.
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The Nazis felt the same way, that they should make their moral evaluations of the behaviors that they saw in their own culture and other cultures, focusing on Jews, the Polish, the Russians, the French, and anyone else who would not join their party and surrender to the "Master Race."
The game is exactly the same....moral superiority, and the egocentric boost it provides, the justification for conversion to one value system over another. If you are bad, then I am good...the psychological payoff is obvious, and huge. The Jews condemn the Muslims. The Muslims condemn the Jews, and the Christians condemn those who do not believe in Jesus Christ. All 100% divisive, not inclusive nor tolerant and nor accepting and practicing a live and let live philosophy.
Once again, effective law enforcement doesn't require moral, political, spiritual, psychological judgment of the behavior of others. A camera can catch someone committing a crime, and the camera lens has no moral filter, nor does it need one.
Just the facts, mam...
My belief is that genital mutilation, bride burning and the murder of young women who have had pre- or extra-marital affairs in Islamic culture are absolutely wrong and immoral.
Will you please state unequivocally, now, that you feel this belief on my part is unsupportable and is simply the result of 'moral superiority' and the need for an 'ego boost'? Will you please state now, here, unequivocally, that the practices I just mentioned should not be universally morally condemned on the grounds that we must 'practic(e) a live and let live philosophy'?
My belief is that genital mutilation, bride burning and the murder of young women who have had pre- or extra-marital affairs in Islamic culture are absolutely wrong and immoral.
So you have stated your belief system, how nice.
I believe that is your belief system, yep.
I am not a moral absolutist projecting moral absolutes onto others, that is God's job, not mine....so again, as is so often the case, your question goes away in the same way it came....
So you have stated your belief system, how nice.
I believe that is your belief system, yep.
I am not a moral absolutist projecting moral absolutes onto others, that is God's job, not mine....so again, as is so often the case, your question goes away in the same way it came....
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My belief is that genital mutilation, bride burning and the murder of young women who have had pre- or extra-marital affairs in Islamic culture are absolutely wrong and immoral.
Will you please state unequivocally, now, that you feel this belief on my part is unsupportable and is simply the result of 'moral superiority' and the need for an 'ego boost'? Will you please state now, here, unequivocally, that the practices I just mentioned should not be universally morally condemned on the grounds that we must 'practic(e) a live and let live philosophy'?
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quote from traderNik
My belief is that genital mutilation, bride burning and the murder of young women who have had pre- or extra-marital affairs in Islamic culture are absolutely wrong and immoral.
So you have stated your belief system, how nice.
I believe that is your belief system, yep.
I am not an moral absolutist, that is God's job, not mine....
Okay, so you do not believe that those who carry out these acts should be the object of universal moral condemnation.
Thanks.
You are welcome.
The law requires no moral condemnation, only adherence to the law.
Moral condemnation is a judgment thingy, I'll leave that to God...
Okay, so you do not believe that those who carry out these practices should be the object of universal moral condemnation.
Thanks. [/QUOTE]
The law requires no moral condemnation, only adherence to the law.
Moral condemnation is a judgment thingy, I'll leave that to God...
Quote from traderNik:
So you have stated your belief system, how nice.
I believe that is your belief system, yep.
I am not an moral absolutist, that is God's job, not mine....
Okay, so you do not believe that those who carry out these practices should be the object of universal moral condemnation.
Thanks. [/QUOTE]
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
You are welcome. The law requires no moral condemnation, only adherence to the law.
Yes, and for the young woman who screams in agony just before being consumed by the flames...nothing.
Your position is clear. The only thing that is difficult to believe is that you could simultaneously hold this view and accuse others of moral superiority. You couldn't make any statement which would throw into sharper relief your own arrogance.
Adherence to the law doesn't require moral condemnation nor arrogance.
Different societies have different laws and customs, many based on their own religious beliefs.
I don't believe in judging the religious belief systems of others, as I don't wish others to judge my belief system.
Now, if you are asking me do I favor in the US laws that protect women from harm?
Yes.
Do I need to condemn those who violate those US laws?
No, they will go through the justice system with our without my condemnation.
It is the arrogance of a society that feels a need to judge other societies and their values, laws, religions, customs, as inferior to their own, and then morally condemn them accordingly.
Different societies have different laws and customs, many based on their own religious beliefs.
I don't believe in judging the religious belief systems of others, as I don't wish others to judge my belief system.
Now, if you are asking me do I favor in the US laws that protect women from harm?
Yes.
Do I need to condemn those who violate those US laws?
No, they will go through the justice system with our without my condemnation.
It is the arrogance of a society that feels a need to judge other societies and their values, laws, religions, customs, as inferior to their own, and then morally condemn them accordingly.
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Yes, and for the young woman who screams in agony just before being consumed by the flames...nothing.
Your position is clear. The only thing that is difficult to believe is that you could simultaneously hold this view and accuse others of moral superiority. You couldn't make any statement which would throw into sharper relief your own arrogance.
Women Circumcision is extremely rare in Islamic countries. While I don't think woman (or males for that matter) should be killed for engaging in pre/extra-marital affairs. I still think it's wrong and should be punished. I also think that the Talmud is far more extremist than the Koran.Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
My belief is that genital mutilation, bride burning and the murder of young women who have had pre- or extra-marital affairs in Islamic culture are absolutely wrong and immoral.
So you have stated your belief system, how nice.
I believe that is your belief system, yep.
I am not a moral absolutist projecting moral absolutes onto others, that is God's job, not mine....so again, as is so often the case, your question goes away in the same way it came....
Telling a young man that if he straps a bunch of explosives to his body and then detonates them in a public place and kills a bunch of women and kids and tourists, he will go to heaven and be serviced by virgins, is immoral.
Show me where the Koran says anything about Virgins in the afterlife. Only Muslims who studied and believe the Hadith literally (wich is not divenly inspired like the Koran) believe that Virgins are waiting for them in the paradise. Most Muslims don't.
If you are human, you make judgements about others' morals whether you admit to them or not.Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
I am not a moral absolutist projecting moral absolutes onto others, that is God's job, not mine....so again, as is so often the case, your question goes away in the same way it came....
Denial....