Historians rank Trump near the bottom of U.S. presidents as Obama rises into the top 10

Buy1Sell2 said:
Nope. Totally wrong. Here is a list of the top 5 presidents in US History. Trump has put the US back on the map. Now we just need to survive Biden which is not likely.
Current ranking of US Presidents in order of achievement and Pro-Americanism. In other words---"Greatness"

1. George Washington
2 Abraham Lincoln
3. Donald Trump (after 1st term)
4. Ronald Reagan
5. Calvin Coolidge
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Notice.... none are Dems. Coincidence? I think not.
 
UsualName said:
Lol. How do you live through history and have no idea what is going on around you?

It really all depends on the president but the president usually gets what they want by making some concessions to congress. This is why the president sends over a budget request and it’s the starting point for the federal budget.
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Wrong. I know history----and I know a lot of history. You are ill-advised to get into political and historical discussions with me. You'll lose every trip of the train.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...choices/3099b261-26ac-4d2d-a104-ec62d64f8dca/
President Reagan yesterday sent a "hard choices" $994 billion budget to a highly skeptical, election-minded Congress that responded with howls of pain, ridicule from Democrats and GOP pressure for an early compromise.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Les Aspin (D-Wis.) called the proposal "dead before arrival," and Sen. Bill Bradley (D-N.J.) said there were not even 25 votes in favor of it in the Republican-controlled Senate. Senate Budget Committee Chairman Pete V. Domenici (R-N.M.) called for a summit meeting "to see if we can put a package together," including tax increases opposed by Reagan.

Many lawmakers complained that the budget would cut too deeply into domestic programs and not enough into defense, a complaint that has greeted all of Reagan's budgets.
 
UsualName said:
I don’t know. As I get older I realize that some things are right for the times. Where the failure is, is when new leadership comes along and don’t have true vision so they try to replay past leaders playbooks.

Republicans got caught up in this for decades. Everything was tax cuts and deregulation to the point they’re just braindead drones who are/were incapable of addressing issues without referring to the Reagan playbook.

The point is that the landscape is always shifting and Reagan met the landscape of his time relatively well. At least on some major economic and foreign policy issues.
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I wish it was a lack of imagination and incompetence. It's more insidious than that. It's about redistribution of wealth from the treasury's coffers to their pockets.
 
Buy1Sell2 said:
Wrong. I know history----and I know a lot of history. You are ill-advised to get into political and historical discussions with me. You'll lose every trip of the train.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...choices/3099b261-26ac-4d2d-a104-ec62d64f8dca/
President Reagan yesterday sent a "hard choices" $994 billion budget to a highly skeptical, election-minded Congress that responded with howls of pain, ridicule from Democrats and GOP pressure for an early compromise.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Les Aspin (D-Wis.) called the proposal "dead before arrival," and Sen. Bill Bradley (D-N.J.) said there were not even 25 votes in favor of it in the Republican-controlled Senate. Senate Budget Committee Chairman Pete V. Domenici (R-N.M.) called for a summit meeting "to see if we can put a package together," including tax increases opposed by Reagan.

Many lawmakers complained that the budget would cut too deeply into domestic programs and not enough into defense, a complaint that has greeted all of Reagan's budgets.
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So what was the final budget for fiscal year 1987, Professor?

Oh wait congress talked a bunch of stuff so that means what Reagan didn’t get the vast majority of the budget he proposed? Or, did he make a few concessions and get the budget he asked for?

Look man you’re trying to shape history to fit a narrative instead of basing your narrative on actual history.
 
UsualName said:
So what was the final budget for fiscal year 1987, Professor?
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Reagan sends Congress a trillion dollar budget for 1987,and the budget was 1 trillion in 1987.

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If Biden doesn't lose a re election race he is a shoe in for top 20,probably top 15.He will be credited with ending the pandemic and the economic recovery.Barring handling a major disaster poorly the only thing that would hurt his position as a good to great president would be losing re election as one termers due to re election lost rate poorly.HW Bush is the one one termer who doesn't rank that bad but I think he gets cut some slack since he lost due to a third party candidate.
 
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