Hillary Clinton "1984"

Show me the southern states that have black U.S. senators, and we can discuss these states voting for a black president...

Quote from inflector:

I believe the whole idea that "America is not ready for a black president" is completely ludicrous. Perhaps this was true twenty years ago but I grew up in the post-equal-rights era and as I got older I was very surprised to learn how much things had changed. Those of us who are post-baby boom just don't see race the same way and there are enough of us now to make a difference.

Sure there was and still is a lot of prejudice around but the number of people who are unable to look at a man's or women's merits at face value is certainly much less than the 50% of the voting population required to keep a man or woman from being president.

I believe Barak Obama will win the primary and the next presidential election.

I am not a Democrat, I characterize myself as a social liberal and fiscal conservative. For example, I voted for George W. Bush in 2000, and no one in 2004 since I was unable to vote for President as a U.S. Virgin Islands resident. I wasn't too happy with any of the candidates in either of the last two elections. I mean are Goerge W. and Al Bore the best we can do? Or Goerge W. and John "can I condescend any more?" Kerry.

I just finished reading Obama's book, Audacity of Hope. It was an excellent book. The thing that strikes me is that he takes many, many positions in the book which are not going to win him points with the democratic base. They will, however, win him points with people who are looking for solutions to the problems rather than sound bites. Obama strikes me as at least as intelligent as Bill Clinton without the propensity to use the polls for direction. He was the editor of the Harvard Law Review which is very hard to achieve. He also writes clearly which means he thinks clearly.

I'll let you all make your own assessments but I can tell you one thing. Barak Obama will absolutely crush Hillary Clinton in a public debate. He can speak better than any presidential candidate since at least Kennedy and he knows the issues. I predict that Hillary Clinton will come off as arrogant and defensive in any debates. She won't be able to contain herself.

I don't think that the Republicans can field a candidate to beat Obama given the shadow of the Iraq war and the current adminstrations abysmal popularity.

Clinton has already peaked and Obama will pass her in the polls within 4 months. Obama's fund raising shows how much grass roots support he has; think Ross Perot without the lunatic factor.

People are tired of Washington politics and Clinton and all the other candidates represent that politics. Many people are excited about Obama for no other reason than that he is different. For many, that's reason enough.

Short of an implosion, I don't see anyone coming close to Obama in the primary. I predict he'll win the primary and the general election by at least 60% to 40%. That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

- Curtis
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Quote from ak15:

Very perceptive and also impressive command of the English language.
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Very perceptive and also a impressive command of the English
language yourself. Did you actually go to school or did your momma
teach you how to read and write?

Talking about language, how many hours do you think Obama
has been coached in order to sound like a white man talking
instead of the way he talked before he was coached?

And did anyone see the bit on TV the other day about an old friend
of Obama's that is homeless and wants Obama to help him out
and Obama won't even talk to him? Apparently there is more.
This friend says he has info that will do Obama in to the point
where he won't even be elected to anything. Maybe he used
drugs when he was a teenager or something. His friend is an
alcoholic. Maybe Obama used to drink until he dropped when he
was young. I wonder if this friend has been taken care of yet,
in either a good way or a bad way. You know what I mean?
 
Obama has long ago admitted to smoking pot and snorting coke. Any stories like this won't hurt him.

I realize my position on the matter is not the norm.

As far as insufficient experience, I think it is a plus for him. He can position it as "I've seen enough to know how Washington works and it is broken."

It may be that he is getting air time because he is different but so was Bill Clinton when he came from nowhere to win a surprise election. He was articulate, likeable, and God knows he had plenty of skeletons.

As to whether or not he wrote the book himself or had a ghost writer, I don't know but I'm reading his first one now that he wrote before anyone knew who he was, I'll let you know if the writing is markedly different. I'm not sure it makes much difference. What impressed me was the positions he takes, ones that are not traditional.

I think most people actually ARE social liberals and fiscal conservatives i.e. they are neither left nor right but center. This is why Hillary won't win and Bill did. He positioned himself in the center and he actually acted so in many instances, e.g. welfare reform. Hillary is aligned too far left to win the center.

I'm sticking with my Obama prediction.
 
If Fred Thompson runs, he would wax Obama's ass.

You have no idea how ugly it will get, the amount of swift boating that will happen to the democratic candidate...

If you really think the fear card the repugniklans know how to use better than anyone is not going to work in 08, you haven't paid attention...

Quote from inflector:

Obama has long ago admitted to smoking pot and snorting coke. Any stories like this won't hurt him.

I realize my position on the matter is not the norm.

As far as insufficient experience, I think it is a plus for him. He can position it as "I've seen enough to know how Washington works and it is broken."

It may be that he is getting air time because he is different but so was Bill Clinton when he came from nowhere to win a surprise election. He was articulate, likeable, and God knows he had plenty of skeletons.

As to whether or not he wrote the book himself or had a ghost writer, I don't know but I'm reading his first one now that he wrote before anyone knew who he was, I'll let you know if the writing is markedly different. I'm not sure it makes much difference. What impressed me was the positions he takes, ones that are not traditional.

I think most people actually ARE social liberals and fiscal conservatives i.e. they are neither left nor right but center. This is why Hillary won't win and Bill did. He positioned himself in the center and he actually acted so in many instances, e.g. welfare reform. Hillary is aligned too far left to win the center.

I'm sticking with my Obama prediction.
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I am too. Notwithstanding quite a few of the idiots and clowns who don't have the faintest notion of what they are talking about.
 
Quote from inflector:

I'm sticking with my Obama prediction.
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If the democrats are stupid enough to nominate Barack Hussein Obama - completely inexperienced, half-black, half-muslim half-senator from a liberal state - he will be wiped out in the general election, he will be lucky to carry 10 states. But I don't think the democrats will be that stupid.
 
Probably true. Dems tend to be idealists and progressive, which is why they often struggle when they get power. Clinton was more of a realist than an idealist, the idealism was just a tool to appeal to the dems, but I don't see him really as anything much more than an effective politician. He could just as easily have been a republican if it served his agenda. Bush is an ineffective politician, who was able to turn the fear following 9/11 and the need for a demon to blame into nearly 5 years of blind following...now that the blinders are off, many people are finally seeing the king with no clothes and just his dick in his hand.

Repubs are realists and regressive in nature, which is why they have learned how to get power. Not that they have learned how to govern effectively, but they do know how to play the game and appeal to the lower instincts of the electorate....which I believe will continue to work.



Quote from dddooo:

If the democrats are stupid enough to nominate Barack Hussein Obama - completely inexperienced, half-black, half-muslim half-senator from a liberal state - he will be wiped out in the general election, he will be lucky to carry 10 states. But I don't think the democrats will be that stupid.
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Quote from inflector:

Obama has long ago admitted to smoking pot and snorting coke. Any stories like this won't hurt him.

I realize my position on the matter is not the norm.

As far as insufficient experience, I think it is a plus for him. He can position it as "I've seen enough to know how Washington works and it is broken."

It may be that he is getting air time because he is different but so was Bill Clinton when he came from nowhere to win a surprise election. He was articulate, likeable, and God knows he had plenty of skeletons.

As to whether or not he wrote the book himself or had a ghost writer, I don't know but I'm reading his first one now that he wrote before anyone knew who he was, I'll let you know if the writing is markedly different. I'm not sure it makes much difference. What impressed me was the positions he takes, ones that are not traditional.

I think most people actually ARE social liberals and fiscal conservatives i.e. they are neither left nor right but center. This is why Hillary won't win and Bill did. He positioned himself in the center and he actually acted so in many instances, e.g. welfare reform. Hillary is aligned too far left to win the center.

I'm sticking with my Obama prediction.
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Actually your position is not that far from the norm. Obama is the populist candidate right now. I don't think the drug issue is going to hurt him. And I'm assuming he has no skeletons in his closet. What is going to hurt him is his voting record. It's what hurts all Senators that run for President. It's why Ted Kennedy could not get elected, John Kerry, John McCain, etc. There is a reason why Governors do well in Presidential races.

At the end of the day, Obama's voting record will be out there for all to see and it will be very hard to spin it. I agree, that guy is a terrific speaker, but his actions will define him, not his words. Hillary is not that far to the left. She will run to the center in a sprint. She has already alienated herself from the Far Left crowd. In fact, you can see how close to the center she is when the anti-war protestors are shouting her down everywhere she goes to speak. Cindy Sheehan is attacking her right and left along with most of the moveon.org cult.

The only thing that puts her far out on the left is her universal health care proposal. Although I personally would not define someone on that issue. She has been very moderate in the NY senate and has earned praise from the likes of Newt Gingrich and Dennis Hastert. Plus she will have one of the most likeable first men in Bill Clinton beside her. Hillary is as tough as nails. I really can't say that about Obama. Not saying he isn't, I just don't know that he is. I know Hillary is. And we'll see how tough she is in the debates.

When you lay her voting record on top of Obama's, she wins hands down. The real question here is, what exactly has Obama done in public office? What bills has he sponsored? What has he accomplished? We all know he can speak, so can Alan Keyes, that didn't get him anywhere either. I have not been able to find anyone that can answer me this question yet.

Yes, I agree with you that most people are purple (socially liberal, fiscally conservative). This is another reason why Obama's record is going to sink him. All Hillary has to do is play her cards right. Not saying she can't blow it, but she is in the driver's seat.
 
I continue to be surprised by the strong numbers John Edwards is producing. He is such an obvious fraud that i tend to dismiss him out of hand, but shameless pandering to the far left is not a bad strategy in democrat primaries.
 
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