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Yes, maybe there are many Americans in the far right that support war...eg, many Jewish Americans, supporting, and supported by, the Israeli lobby.
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That must explain why 80% of jewish americans voted for Kerry.



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the information that Bush used was no different than what Clinton and the UN had and acted on.
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The information was no different but Bush used it differently cherry-picking the pieces that suited his agenda and ignoring the rest, he ignored the UN inspectors, he ignored all other options besides military invasion. The downing street memos are quite clear about that and no one has actually even tried to deny them.
 
Oh yeah, we have a much better political climate in the middle east under Bush....

For oil producers who are getting 3 times the price for their oil since Bush took office.

What nonsense....

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Yes, maybe there are many Americans in the far right that support war as a tool to be used as needed, but so are some factions within the Democratic party, eg, many Jewish Americans, supporting, and supported by, the Israeli lobby.

Remember, the information that Bush used was no different than what Clinton and the UN had and acted on. We now know that a lot of it was just lies, mostly spread by the Iraqi government et al. Based on that, the American public overwhelmingly supported the need for decisive action and half the Democrats on the Hill voted for it.

At the end, we now have a better Middle East political climate, even with the Iran problem that was created under Clinton, a free Iraq, finally, and most of the criminals there behind bars. Yes, there are many issues and dangerous circumstances, but we are big boys, we'll take care of them. If you ask me, that's fantastic success, bravo!
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Oh yeah, we have a much better political climate in the middle east under Bush.... For oil producers who are getting 3 times the price for their oil since Bush took office. What nonsense....
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Undoubtedly, according to your theory, Bush inspired the Chinese and the Indians to consume a lot more oil than was anticipated, and then scared the Saudis, Russians, Nigerians etc out of their charitable (as usual) plan to keep oil prices below cost in order to help the economies of their captive markets. After all, he is responsible for EVERYTHING BAD and NOTHING GOOD that's happening in the world, right?

Please rethink your argument because, I suspect, you have definitely blown a gasket somewhere in your head. Sorry!
 
Every rational trader and analyst says there is a 15 to 20 dollar premium in oil due to Middle East uncertainty....all we have to do is look to what happened since Bush invaded Iraq to today....world wide consumption did nothing about that...

I almost feel sorry for Bush apologists these days, what a horrible position to have to take....

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Undoubtedly, according to your theory, Bush inspired the Chinese and the Indians to consume a lot more oil than was anticipated, and then scared the Saudis, Russians, Nigerians etc out of their charitable (as usual) plan to keep oil prices below cost in order to help the economies of their captive markets. After all, he is responsible for EVERYTHING BAD and NOTHING GOOD that's happening in the world, right?

Please rethink your argument because, I suspect, you have definitely blown a gasket somewhere in your head. Sorry!
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Every rational trader and analyst says there is a 15 to 20 dollar premium in oil due to Middle East uncertainty
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So, oil goes up and computers go down... it's called a complex economy. What matters is real, net, growth and we've had planty of that since he took office - more than double of Europe's and Japan's - a real success story for the American economy under his leadership!

Actually, it's not just the Saudis that benefited... I did pretty well too: have been playing both XOM and OIH on the long side. Yes, I know, it's all my fault, sorryyyyy... :D
 
So if our next president was in the computer business, and his VP is in the computer business, then computer prices will go up?

ROTFLMAO....

Was Clinton in the computer business at one time in his life?

Oh man, too funny...

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So, oil goes up and computers go down... it's called a complex economy. What matters is real, net, growth and we've had planty of that since he took office - more than double of Europe's and Japan's - a real success story for the American economy under his leadership!

Actually, it's not just the Saudis that benefited... I did pretty well too: have been playing both XOM and OIH on the long side. Yes, I know, it's all my fault, sorryyyyy... :D
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Was Clinton in the computer business at one time in his life?
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Hey, all I know is that the Clintons couldn't make a dime until they started selling books about stuff like Monica, etc. On the other hand, Bush is a self made multi-millionnaire. That's something to aspire to, imo. But I forgot - you are a love-loving communist, aren't you? Or liberal, whatever... :p
 
This is how you make arguments?



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Hey, all I know is that the Clintons couldn't make a dime until they started selling books about stuff like Monica, etc. On the other hand, Bush is a self made multi-millionnaire. That's something to aspire to, imo. But I forgot - you are a love-loving communist, aren't you? Or liberal, whatever... :p
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