High Pings & Latencies in Day Trading?

Quote from roberk:

FYI,
living in Japan my ping is about 180-220 for sites in USA

but 350 for sites in Australia
Amazing! Means your pings to Australia first go east to the L.A. backbone, then from there south-west through the southern-cross cable!
Very interesting, though. Particularly that you live in Japan! Are you American resident, or Japanese, or European?
I always considered living in Japan for a while. It's such a cool place in so many ways... You certainly have all the technology - and cheap!

Wait... I only know a few phrases... Like "Kono hontoniiiiii subarashi gohan!" :p
 
Quote from Scientist:


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I had a great discussion on this with marketsurfer. I see trading like a game of chess, thinking through as many likely future moves as possible within a limited timeframe. Then, estimate the most likely / most beneficial moves and defend / attack accordingly. This is very rebellious, because it's so contrary to the way most traders look at it; Namely to trade the present based on what happened in the past, so a "before and now attitude". I consider this attitude as obsolete. I look at the "now and soon" instead, and don't even worry about the past, except for certain S/R levels etc which are clearly there for obvious reasons. I want to think through the future moves my opponents are going to make, and hedge and act myself accordingly.

While this thinking approach is perfectly logical in Chess, Go, or martial arts, I wonder why it's so uncommon in trading?

I don't know why, but I know there's a great quote reflecting just this exact point, said by no other than George Soros himself:

Trading is like playing Chess with God.


right on, scientist ! i really like the soros qoute.

best,

surfer
 
Quote from prox:

I don't think there's any real difference in trading between a 330 or a 60 ping. This isn't Quake.
LOL! That is so funny you mention that! I talked to my local TT rep (TT Australia) last week and we discussed latencies.

He said: "Hey, we're routing your orders to Eurex in less than 350ms. That's about half the time it takes with even the closest competitor. How much faster do you want it?"

Me: "Well, I have friends in Europe who go out of their way changing connections etc in order to get their latencies from 130ms to 110ms and stuff like that!"

He was like: "Mate, maybe if you're playing Quake and want to avoid some missile hitting your head. For trading, an odd 300ms is pretty fine I reckon. But as your concern..."

:D
 
I don't understand the question. You have data to the effect that ping times and latency does not in anyway affect (your) trading, and yet you have had hundreds of discussions about it?

If you are making money trading the way you do, and the latency is not an issue, don't fix what is not broken.

nitro
Quote from Scientist:

nitro, you seriously manage to make me raise my brows once over again.

It's rather disturbing talking about latency in my situation. I have had literally hundreds of discussions on the issue of latency in day trading. Starting with a satellite solution because where I used to live until a few months ago, I only had a 28K connection. Clearly, satellite, with 650-1,200ms latency wasn't a choice. My 28K at the time offered a net latency of 450ms to the IB server...
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Quote from prox:

I don't think there's any real difference in trading between a 330 or a 60 ping. This isn't Quake.

As a corollary to this, I would say where you live doesn't matter either. If you are executing your trades manually, then you are the slowest point in the execution chain, regardless of where you live. And if you are executing automatically, then you can easily put your trading program on a remote server within the same country as the exchange and again it doesn't matter where you administer your server from.

Thanks to Prophet and Gordon Gekko, for explaining to me about servers. One more question... What is a colocated server?
 
Quote from Scientist:

If Gordon Gekko with his 31ms takes only 300ms longer to make a decision, I will get my order in ahead of him, and sweep away his chance. And 300ms isn't a lot!
i trade with 1 monitor. so sometimes i have to do alt+tab or something to change windows before i make a trade. just that right there slows me down. now, i'm not a scalper or anything, so all this isn't really that big a deal to me. eventually i'll get an additional monitor or so.
 
This is decidedly false.

nitro
Quote from Aaron:

As a corollary to this, I would say where you live doesn't matter either. If you are executing your trades manually, then you are the slowest point in the execution chain, regardless of where you live. And if you are executing automatically, then you can easily put your trading program on a remote server within the same country as the exchange and again it doesn't matter where you administer your server from.

Thanks to Prophet and Gordon Gekko, for explaining to me about servers. One more question... What is a colocated server?
 
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