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Veganism is a religion, there is no science involved. The main thing they miss is brain nutrition and you can prove that anytime you want, hire one, talk with one, etc.. I hate it when they break into nutrition discussions with their brainless garbage... they will tell you to get your Omega 3's from plants but guess what, they are the wrong form, your body can't use them.

The main advantage I can see to veganism is that a person is never constipated, probably their digestive health is better than the meat eaters but otherwise, forget it... The best diets seem to be 80% plant and 20% meat/eggs/dairy. The best plants do not come from modern farming methods, not at all, the quality of the food in industrialized farming areas just sucks. People growing legacy plants and eating range fed cultured Goat milk and meat and range fed chicken eggs and meat are probably getting way more bang for their nutrition buck than anybody...

Anthropoligists agree with me on some things, they have found that there is not a place on earth that supplies all the nutrition a human needs without eating meat... so all you vegan assholes can stay out my way if you don't mind. can't stand you on any level..
 
Humans are omnivores by design. If you compare and contrast our GI tracts with herbivores, carnivores and omnivores in nature, we exactly match the attributes of omnivores.

That's just one of the myriad of reasons why it's naive to think vegetarianism is an optimal strategy to obtain the best nourishment, and even the necessary, basic nutrition, that we our cells need to function properly.

Murray - Venison is fantastic, especially from deer that are grass and apple fed; the backstrap and tenderloin are the most cherished parts. Have you ever had elk? Elk is probably my favorite 'game' meat. It is incredibly flavorful, and it's not greasy or strong. It has more fat than bison (which is also fantastic), but less saturated fat than beef.
 
dude , clearly you'll eat anything.

horse
muskrat
porcupine
wilderbeast

any others?

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Humans are omnivores by design. If you compare and contrast our GI tracts with herbivores, carnivores and omnivores in nature, we exactly match the attributes of omnivores.

That's just one of the myriad of reasons why it's naive to think vegetarianism is an optimal strategy to obtain the best nourishment, and even the necessary, basic nutrition, that we our cells need to function properly.

Murray - Venison is fantastic, especially from deer that are grass and apple fed; the backstrap and tenderloin are the most cherished parts. Have you ever had elk? Elk is probably my favorite 'game' meat. It is incredibly flavorful, and it's not greasy or strong. It has more fat than bison (which is also fantastic), but less saturated fat than beef.
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dude , clearly you'll eat anything.

horse
muskrat
porcupine
wilderbeast

any others?
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I never tried any of the above, but wouldn't be opposed to it, except the muskrat.

I also believe in the sanctity of treating animals respectfully, which is similar in approach to how Native Americans viewed the Bison that they depended on for survival.

There is no need to prolong animal suffering, despite the necessity of their consumption for proper nutritional requirements.

I find sport/trophy hunting abominable.

I also believe that fruits, vegetables, grains and legumes should form the majority of one's diet, and that animal based proteins (containing essential amino and fatty acids, as well as iron, B complex vitamins) should only constitute maybe 1/4 to 1/5th of one's diet.

This is generally consistent with the way Greeks on Crete eat, as well as other healthy societies, whether in Japan or Mediterranean areas.
 
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Humans are omnivores by design. If you compare and contrast our GI tracts with herbivores, carnivores and omnivores in nature, we exactly match the attributes of omnivores......
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This statement is highly questionable. A true example of an omnivore is a bear.

from: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2062/ana.HTML

"In general, bears exhibit anatomical features consistent with a carnivorous diet. The jaw joint of bears is in the same plane as the molar teeth. The temporalis muscle is massive, and the angle of the mandible is small corresponding to the limited role the pterygoid and masseter muscles play in operating the jaw. The small intestine is short ( less than five times body length) like that of the pure carnivores, and the colon is simple, smooth and short. The most prominent adaptation to an herbivorous diet in bears (and other "anatomical" omnivores) is the modification of their dentition. Bears retain the peg-like incisors, large canines and shearing premolars of a carnivore; but the molars have become squared with rounded cusps for crushing and grinding. Bears have not, however, adopted the flattened, blunt nails seen in most herbivores and retain the elongated, pointed claws of a carnivore....

...In conclusion, we see that human beings have the gastrointestinal tract structure of a "committed" herbivore. Humankind does not show the mixed structural features one expects and finds in anatomical omnivores such as bears and raccoons. Thus, from comparing the gastrointestinal tract of humans to that of carnivores, herbivores and omnivores we must conclude that humankind's GI tract is designed for a purely plant-food diet.

Summary

Facial Muscles
CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed

Jaw Type

CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HUMAN: Expanded angle

Jaw Joint Location

CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars

Jaw Motion

CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back

Major Jaw Muscles

CARNIVORE: Temporalis
HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
OMNIVORE: Temporalis
HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids

Mouth Opening vs. Head Size

CARNIVORE: Large
HERBIVORE: Small
OMNIVORE: Large
HUMAN: Small

Teeth: Incisors

CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

Teeth: Canines

CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted

Teeth: Molars

CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

Chewing

CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary

Saliva

CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

Stomach Type

CARNIVORE: Simple
HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
OMNIVORE: Simple
HUMAN: Simple

Stomach Acidity

CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

Stomach Capacity

CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract

Length of Small Intestine

CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length

Colon

CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated

Liver

CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

Kidney

CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine

Nails

CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
HUMAN: Flattened nails"
 
I can decimate the credibility of this entire post with one word:

Gorillas.

http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/gorilla.html


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This statement is highly questionable. A true example of an omnivore is a bear.

from: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2062/ana.HTML

"In general, bears exhibit anatomical features consistent with a carnivorous diet. The jaw joint of bears is in the same plane as the molar teeth. The temporalis muscle is massive, and the angle of the mandible is small corresponding to the limited role the pterygoid and masseter muscles play in operating the jaw. The small intestine is short ( less than five times body length) like that of the pure carnivores, and the colon is simple, smooth and short. The most prominent adaptation to an herbivorous diet in bears (and other "anatomical" omnivores) is the modification of their dentition. Bears retain the peg-like incisors, large canines and shearing premolars of a carnivore; but the molars have become squared with rounded cusps for crushing and grinding. Bears have not, however, adopted the flattened, blunt nails seen in most herbivores and retain the elongated, pointed claws of a carnivore....

...In conclusion, we see that human beings have the gastrointestinal tract structure of a "committed" herbivore. Humankind does not show the mixed structural features one expects and finds in anatomical omnivores such as bears and raccoons. Thus, from comparing the gastrointestinal tract of humans to that of carnivores, herbivores and omnivores we must conclude that humankind's GI tract is designed for a purely plant-food diet.

Summary

Facial Muscles
CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed

Jaw Type

CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HUMAN: Expanded angle

Jaw Joint Location

CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars

Jaw Motion

CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back

Major Jaw Muscles

CARNIVORE: Temporalis
HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
OMNIVORE: Temporalis
HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids

Mouth Opening vs. Head Size

CARNIVORE: Large
HERBIVORE: Small
OMNIVORE: Large
HUMAN: Small

Teeth: Incisors

CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

Teeth: Canines

CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted

Teeth: Molars

CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

Chewing

CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary

Saliva

CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

Stomach Type

CARNIVORE: Simple
HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
OMNIVORE: Simple
HUMAN: Simple

Stomach Acidity

CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

Stomach Capacity

CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract

Length of Small Intestine

CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length

Colon

CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated

Liver

CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

Kidney

CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine

Nails

CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
HUMAN: Flattened nails"
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Quote from ByLoSellHi:

I can decimate the credibility of this entire post with one word:

Gorillas.

http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/gorilla.html
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I don't know that you have decimated anything. We all know humans and our ape relatives CAN eat meat.

The question is what our bodies are most designed/optimized to eat. Since you are familiar with this data, you are likely aware that Jane Goodall as well as the Price article indicate that Chimp's (our closest relatives) meat eating is culturally driven (meat is the only food they share) and meat is a tiny portion of their diet.http://www.ecologos.org/chimphunt.htm

BTW, gorillas are classified as herbivores. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla#Food_and_foraging
 
Gorillas are definitely omnivores. I won't debate this fact with you, because facts are not ripe for debate. Believe what you will, but at least do some basic research from a credible source.

Gorillas eat meat, not because they can, but because they have evolved to do so. If this wasn't the case, they would not.

Almost all other primates are omnivorous, as well, including Chimpazees and Baboons - those closest to humans anatomically and genetically speaking.

Also, pigs are omivores, and are also closely related to humans, from a genetic standpoint.

Much medical research involves primates and swine as their digestive and other systems closely emulate that of the human species.
 
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