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High Carb or High Fat but not both together!
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I was always under the impression that if you were eating high glycemic index foods then you should eat them with fats to lower the insulin spike. After watching this video, I have stopped eating carbs with fats in the same meal. So for the last 2 weeks I've been eating :
breakfast - carbs + protein ( no fat )
lunch - carbs + protein ( no fat )
Dinner - carbs + protein ( if not that hungry ) or fats + protein ( if hungry )
Initial results - weight has stayed the same even though I have more than tripled carb consumption. My energy level has gone through the roof.
breakfast - carbs + protein ( no fat )
lunch - carbs + protein ( no fat )
Dinner - carbs + protein ( if not that hungry ) or fats + protein ( if hungry )
Initial results - weight has stayed the same even though I have more than tripled carb consumption. My energy level has gone through the roof.
I can't watch an hour long video for the punch line. Could you please tell me, very briefly, what the rationale is for that kind of regimen?
Watch the last 15 minutes.
Sugar doesn't make you fat.
Fat doesn't make you fat.
The ratio of sugar:fat makes you fat because it interferes with the brains reward system.
Okay, thanks. The take-away I got from the last 15 minutes of the video is to essentially avoid junk food. No argument there.
As for sugar alone not being a problem, there are those who disagree. You will recall years ago when fat consumption became taboo, and so flavor was compensated for with sugar in many (processed) foods. And people then got seriously obese. In fact, sugary drinks are considered to be a major contributor to obesity:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/sugary-drinks-fact-sheet/
I don't see a good reason to avoid eating fats and good carbs in a meal, but I see the reason to always avoid bad carbs, whether with any other macronutrient or alone. As for (added) sugar, there is no justification for it. It is the new tobacco:
http://www.sugarscience.org/too-much-can-make-us-sick/#.WMmB7Wx1pO8
Personally, I prefer balanced meals, with a combination of all macronutrients. You require fat to properly absorb fat soluble nutrients. And for people who substantially restrict carbs for any length of time (and I'm not saying you do, because you said you consume them), they risk all kinds of impairment:
- decreased thyroid output
- increased cortisol output
- decreased testosterone
- impaired mood and cognitive function
- muscle catabolism
- suppressed immune function.
You feel lousy, spaced-out, sluggish, cranky… and maybe even sick.
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets
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Thanks for your detailed opinion, but the takeaway is the ratio of carbs/fats that makes people gain weight. It does not limit it to junk food.
That article says nothing. It does not say what people are eating with the sugar.
Once again, this article does not go into details of the total diet of people with metabolic syndrome.
I didn't read the whole article but agree on what you posted. I did agree with this :
Do carbs increase insulin levels?
Yes, they do.
Does increased insulin after meals lead to fat gain?
No.
(Insulin’s actually a satiety hormone — in other words, it makes you feel full — so the idea that on its own it leads to fat gain doesn’t make sense.)
Ultimately I have come to the conclusion that carbs/fats = energy and protein = satiety.
If you don't mix energies, their is less of a chance of over eating( reward system ) and less of a chance of storing those calories as fat.
I'm not sure I agree. Perhaps the ratio of refined carbs/fats, but not necessarily quality carbs/fats. And anything with refined carbs is arguably junk anyway, and so should be avoided.
I only watched the last 15 minutes, as you suggested, and the only reference to carbs was either sugar or refined carbs -- stuff found in donuts and cake and such, all of which are junk food. If they made a convincing case against, say, brown rice/fats or other better-quality carbs/fats, then that might give me pause. But let's agree that not all carbs are created equal.
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I'm not sure it matters. I think the point is that sugary drinks can be addictive for some people but not satiating. Meanwhile they are caloric and play havoc with the pancreas and so on, encouraging fat storage. They can add up during the day for some people, and evidently that is what happened on a large scale.
The rodents that ate only sugar didn't gain weight because sugar alone can be overwhelming even in limited quantities, as the video pointed out. But sugary drinks dilute the sugar with water, making it less overwhelming, and not quite so filling, so it is perhaps a false comparison because no one eats sugar only. But, of course, the rodents pigged out on cheesecake. Everyone loves cheesecake. And no one should really eat it. Cakes and pastries are the ultimate processed/junk foods. The carbs found in that stuff cannot be compared to what is found in whole fruit, legumes, whole grains and such.
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It doesn't matter if the carbs are simple, refined or complex. They will all be broken down into glucose, fructose, or lactose in the body. Fats are broken down into saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated. No carbs need to be avoided but complex carbs are certainly more nutrient dense. As for fats, I think a strong case can be made to avoid polyunsaturated fats as much as possible.
That being said, the last 15 minutes talked about the 50/50 ratio of carbs/fats being eaten together, not just carbs that you seem to be focusing on.
Only because I think that empty carbs are junk carbs. And so, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point:
Anyway, thanks for the exchange.