Higgs Boson - The evidence of God Particle

your blindness is causing your ignorance... or is it vice versa...
The economist did write the very quote I have given you.
But, I will provide it again in hopes you will wake up from your ignorance.

focus... take two deep breaths...

click on this link and go about half way down the page...
then you will read this very quote...




http://www.economist.com/node/21558248

"The constant gardener

One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.

Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world."



Quote from stu:

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From your god slanted approach you've tried to wrongly and falsely assert that because Higgs showed up as required for the Standard Model to hold.... 'that therefore many of the constants of the universe are tuned to 20 or more decimal places.'

Nowhere in the Economist nor for that matter in the god blog, is it said because of Higgs, constants are tuned to any number of decimal places.
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Quote from jem:
Stu does not even understand what a fallacious appeal to authority is..

if you were to say that the red sox are better because that is who einstein rooted for... that would be a fallacious appeal to authority... a non sequitor.

But if I cite hawkings paper and say Hawking explains our universe appears fine tuned (or not) according to the math of the physical constants..
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Who wouldn't understand fallacious appeals to authority reading your stuff? You are forever making them. After concocting so many, apparently even you do.

Quote from jem:
I provided an article which showed the finding of Higgs Boson shows that the standard model of the universe can be used to predict where the Higgs Boson would show up... and that therefore many of the constants of the universe are tuned to 20 or more decimal places.
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There it is. Another in a long line of your fallacious appeals to authority. Right before your very eyes.



Quote from jem:

your blindness is causing your ignorance... or is it vice versa...
The economist did write the very quote I have given you.
But, I will provide it again in hopes you will wake up from your ignorance.

focus... take two deep breaths...

click on this link and go about half way down the page...
then you will read this very quote...

http://www.economist.com/node/21558248

"The constant gardener

One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.

Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world."
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Quite clearly The Economist does not in any way suggest...

Quote from jem:
" ..I provided an article which showed the finding of Higgs Boson shows that the standard model of the universe can be used to predict where the Higgs Boson would show up... and that therefore many of the constants of the universe are tuned to 20 or more decimal places."

It is indeed a fallacious appeal to authority, originally supplied by yourself, second hand via a religious website.

Higgs is a constituent of The Standard Model. However much you falsely claim otherwise, Higgs does not confirm values cosmological constants have, or that they are 'tuned' to 20 or more decimal places.

It is surely the case that you don't see because, first you wind up urges for an utterly unscientific creationist tuner by visiting god sites. Then you try as they do, to fallaciously drag science into utterly unscientific contemplations about an imaginary creator by false argument.

Your inevitable 2+2=3
 
proof of your ignorance.
which is why I choose the first article for the first post.
it spoon feeds the science to you...

whereas the The Economist... is more subtle. (for instance using hte heading "the constant gardener".


http://www.ucg.org/science/god-science-and-bible-higgs-boson-evidence-universes-fine-tuning/


here was the statement in the first article...


"What is also remarkable is the precision of the calculations behind the discovery. The constants of the universe, the very laws governing physics as we know it, can be stated in mathematical equations to the point where the approximate location and mass of the Higgs boson were found. Yet elation has given way to a reluctant admission—and thoughts of throwing out what's been found.
As The Economist explains: "One problem [with the Higgs discovery] is that, as it stands, the [Standard] model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places . Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%" (p. 72, emphasis added throughout).
It is mindboggling to contemplate this incredible degree of required cosmic fine-tuning. Why would scientists be "uncomfortable" with it? Because it logically leads to the best explanation of the facts—that an ultra-intelligent Mind engineered and orchestrated all of it!"
 
I've already given reason why you're talking out your ass and you keep doing it, oblivious to logic or fact.

2+2 does not =3 no matter how often you, or your god site, says it does.
 
stu... you have been reduced to talking specious scientism and nonsense... again.

can you comprehend... 20 constants to 32 decimal places and
a super collider and they found higgs.

could you be more finely tuned?


here is scientific reality...


http://www.economist.com/node/21558248

"The constant gardener

One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.

Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world." [/B][/QUOTE]
 
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stu and jem locked in loving embace again, there is something comforting about a return to the familiar
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Well Jem's posts certainly are familiar I'll give you that. Familiarly disfunctional.
 
Quote from jem:

can you comprehend... 20 constants to 32 decimal places and
a super collider and they found higgs.

here is scientific reality...
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Lol. What Science
Seriously , what are you afraid of that makes you keep pasting bs from a religious website that says something even its source does not. That's not science.
You were the one to bring up how a fallacious appeal to authority would be made, so why keep making them?

When something is pointed out to you and reason given why you are wrong, how come all you can think of, in this thread and others is to keep re-posting the same thing like a lunatic, but can't reasonably or rationally debate or properly discuss any of its content.

Higgs is about how fundamental particles get their mass. It is not about the value of universal constants to any decimal places let alone 32 of them.

I realize you're trying to drag science toward religion in an attempt to give religion some credibility. It won’t happen, especially when all you ever have is 2+2=3.
 
Stu's ignorance manifest for all to see.
Your quote shows you are either incredibly dense or trolling.

I have not been speaking about what higgs does...
(which is a different interesting point - since it has been called the God Particle.)

I have been writing about the precision needed to find the Higgs Boson and hence the precision tuning of the universe.





Quote from stu:

Lol. What Science
Seriously , what are you afraid of that makes you keep pasting bs from a religious website that says something even its source does not. That's not science.
You were the one to bring up how a fallacious appeal to authority would be made, so why keep making them?

When something is pointed out to you and reason given why you are wrong, how come all you can think of, in this thread and others is to keep re-posting the same thing like a lunatic, but can't reasonably or rationally debate or properly discuss any of its content.

Higgs is about how fundamental particles get their mass. It is not about the value of universal constants to any decimal places let alone 32 of them.

I realize you're trying to drag science toward religion in an attempt to give religion some credibility. It won’t happen, especially when all you ever have is 2+2=3.
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http://www.economist.com/node/21558248

"The constant gardener

One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.

Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world."
 
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