HFT Myths

Quote from MoreLeverage:

Just my $0.02 worth, but I think you're right it's not so hot. For those splits, they should be providing the capital. Also, what data center that matters is in NYC?


Yes you are right its in NJ. We are in the same building as Edge I believe. Know of any firms that can offer a better payout?
 
Quote from afr6262:

Hey HFT,

Great thread. Many Thanks.

I have been offered 25-50% pnl split where I put up my own capital for an automated strategy that trades intraday and occasional overnights. They provide the software to backtest and develop new strategies and provide a server in one of the data centers in NYC.

Is this a good deal? I personally don't like it. Im having a hard to finding firms where I can trade of changes in quotes and book quotes. There seems to be an abundance of places to backtest and trade off of tickdata

Thanks again.
It depends on what your other options are and how good the backtesting software is. As far as colocation, you can just deduct that cost from the deal when comparing options so there are less variables involved.

That deal is terrible for someone with strong industry experience. It might be great for someone who has never been employed in the trading industry before though. It all depends on what other options your experience can get you. It sounds like all they are giving you is backtesting software and data though, which doesn't sound like much for giving up 50-75% of your return.

If you have any experience at all, get in touch with a recruiter that can shop around for better deals for you.

To put things in reference, for a 25-50% payout split, I would expect to get the works provided: no capital to put up, strong base salary, top-notch connectivity to all major exchanges, full historical data, etc. What I wouldn't expect to receive is a full HFT trading system though - if that were provided a competitive payout would probably drop down to the 10-25% range.
 
Quote from gmst:

if US introduces a transaction tax, will it kill High frequency trading? What will happen to firms like Getco, your firm etc. What will happen to all the people who work there and have developed a highly specialized skillset? Thanks.

Back to flipping burgers and mugging old ladies.
 
Quote from stock777:

hft=frontrunning

any other pretense is just that.

How do you presume to know this?

Your posts on this thread seem devoid of anything factual and add only negative value to what is otherwise a highly informative thread initiated by someone whose motives are by all appearances open and magnanimous.
 
My question is this: What is High Frequency Trading?

Let me tell you my understanding of what HFT is and then you say if ist correct or not.

Let's say the Ask of AAPL is at 600.40, the Bid at 600. Now the HFT Trader enters a buy limit order at 600, hoping that someone sends a market order so the limit order gets executed.

As soon as the 600 Buy Limit order gets executed, the HFT Trader then immediately enters a sell limit order at 600.4 hoping someone sends a market order to execute the sell limit order. This way, the HFT Trader cashed in a profit.

Is that a correct assumption of how HFT works or is it completely wrong?
 
Quote from Occam:

How do you presume to know this?

Your posts on this thread seem devoid of anything factual and add only negative value to what is otherwise a highly informative thread initiated by someone whose motives are by all appearances open and magnanimous.

I guess you dont keep up with the news. Thats ok, some of us do.
 
Quote from ProTrader432:

My question is this: What is High Frequency Trading?

Let me tell you my understanding of what HFT is and then you say if ist correct or not.

Let's say the Ask of AAPL is at 600.40, the Bid at 600. Now the HFT Trader enters a buy limit order at 600, hoping that someone sends a market order so the limit order gets executed.

As soon as the 600 Buy Limit order gets executed, the HFT Trader then immediately enters a sell limit order at 600.4 hoping someone sends a market order to execute the sell limit order. This way, the HFT Trader cashed in a profit.

Is that a correct assumption of how HFT works or is it completely wrong?


That's my understanding of HFT too. They do take liquidity as well so it's not all market making. The only thing I do t like is when they see your order coming into one exchange and then hit the others or pull their offers before your order routes to the other exchanges. I would just like to get the damn fills when I see exchanges there. They can see your fills on say edge and them take arca or inet before your order routes the remainder to those exchanges. There are smart order routers that try to help you but I still get front run occasionally I think.
 
Quote from Drifter:

What are your thoughts on the possible merger between RGM and Allston?
Reminds me of Sears + Kmart circa 2005. Neither firm is doing very well and I don't expect them to do much better together, if it even happens.
 
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