Hesitating before a trade

Quote from riskfreetrading:

The hook is in fact not his. There is a much older book that a lot of the people of the sixties and seventies read and regurgitate from, each giving a different name from the methods in it.

Ross's hook, williams order in markets, etc. All saying the same thing, but never stating the source.

The only original guy from the 70's is hurst, with his work on cycles.
Well, you know what Mr. Smartass? I don't give a fuck who wrote it first. All that matters to me is that the Ross Hook gave me a new lease on life as a trader.

BTW, I read Hurst. He wrote in some badly mangled codes. I had to literally rely on others to decipher what the dude was trying to get across. While he might have been the originator, it was through Ross that I came to understand the concept. In that regard, I owe Ross a huge debt. Thank you!

(And if you really are the one and only Joe Ross, please carry on. Don't pay attention to these clowns.)
 
It seems you do not know what intellectual property is, which is a reflection on your own level of intellect or lack thereof. An author could describe something better/etc, and yet make a contribution, but the attribution of ideas should not changed. Because it may not be moral and legal to do so.

As for Hurst (the hook is not there) the difficulty in understanding could be his writing, or your ability to understand. The latter is more probably in your case.

PS: you did not have to insult in your response. I can now understand why others were hitting you in other posts.
 
Quote from Petsamo:

All that writing? No wonder you have a piss poor plan.

Everybody hesitates, even those self-proclaimed experts.

Not everyone. If you believe in your system and plans, are comfortable with your platform and indicators, and have done all you can to eliminate emotions from your trading desk... if you are still having problems pushing the button, you have emotions intruding into your professional space. Get rid of them. Sim trade until you do, then start back in with one contract, increasing by one per week as your comfort level grows. You should find size trading boring, if you want to be an expert with even larger size. If it doesn't come, cash out and do something else.

This is why students of gurus never execute perfectly, because its NOT THEIR SYSTEM, and they hesitate in doubt. Make your own systems, even if they are based on someone else's idea. It's got to be YOUR BABY or the seed of doubt will always haunt your fingers at the instant of order entry opportunity.
 
Quote from riskfreetrading:

It seems you do not know what intellectual property is, which is a reflection on your own level of intellect or lack thereof. An author could describe something better/etc, and yet make a contribution, but the attribution of ideas should not changed. Because it may not be moral and legal to do so.
Look, you jackass. Here I was talking about how great the sex was the night before and you start fussing about catching some sexual disease. You're nothing but a damn party crasher!
 
Quote from saliva:

Look, you jackass. Here I was talking about how great the sex was the night before and you start fussing about catching some sexual disease. You're nothing but a damn party crasher!

Sal, stop quoting the jackass.

It has been nice with him on ignore.
 
Quote from jack hershey:

What is it like to learn to trade and trade in a context of support, comfort and confidence. It is like....necessary.

You have those feelings from the beginning of learning, if your purpose is to build and differentiate your mind. Try to remember anything you did in your life under those circumstances. This is what you repeat doing to learn to trade.

One of those short learning experiences was to learn to drive a car. What made it so easy? It was the long term existing environment with respect to cars.

Joe, great thread as always.

Jack, this one sent chills up my spine.

ET should have a value filter; this thread gets a 10 IMHO.
 
Quote from Joe Ross:

Hey Joe! No matter how hard I try, I still find myself hesitating before a trade. Any comments about that?

There are any number of reasons why a trader hesitates before a trade. The main one is lack of planning. Without a plan, there is no degree of confidence a trade will be successful, it’s all wishful thinking. Unless they are outright gamblers, traders usually have a strong need to protect their assets and avoid risk. This is especially true for beginning traders. It can take a long time to build up sufficient capital for serious trading. By that I mean sufficient capital to be able to trade for a living. It is quite understandable to fear losing all or part of your initial capital. Beginners tend to seek absolute certainty before taking a risk, and gaining true confidence in you ability to trade successfully can take time. Unscrupulous marketers of mechanical trading systems and methods take advantage of the beginners fears and lack of confidence by advertising “sure-fire” “magic” ways to trade, instead of revealing the truth about the difficulties in becoming a consistently successful trader.

When it comes to short term trading, there isn't very much time for long deliberations. Market conditions are in continuous flux. Decisions need to be made relatively quickly, and if one waits too long to execute a trade, he or she may miss a significant opportunity. The reasons for hesitation are everywhere, and traders must be aware of them, and create a plan to prevent them. Let’s look at a few of the things that cause traders to hesitate:

*The complex charting software available these days tends to increase hesitation. Traders think that the more confirmation they can get from indicators, the more certain they can be that a trade will be successful. However, all indicators lag the market. The notion that an indicator can somehow predict what will happen once a trade is entered is nothing more than wishful thinking. An indicator may give some degree of confidence about entering a trade, but the indicator cannot trade the trade, only the trader can do that. Once a trade is entered, it becomes entirely a process of management. It's tempting to look at as many indicators and signals as possible. Doing so, however, can be very time consuming. That's why seasoned traders advise looking at only a few if any key indicators.

*Hesitation is often related to a lack of confidence in the trader’s trading strategy or trading ability. There are numerous reasons for such lack of confidence. Some of the reasons are shallow and mostly on the surface, like being distracted by watching financial TV while trading. Other reasons are more deep-seated, and actually reflect psychological problems dating all the way back to early childhood. A trader may not believe that his or her trading plan is adequately developed. Nevertheless, they are determined to trade, so they muster up their courage and finally jump into a trade almost guaranteeing that the outcome will be a matter of pure chance. Some traders may question their trading plan because they know that they did not spend enough time preparing it. Sometimes hesitation is intuitive, warning the trader to avoid the trade. All too often, traders are not tuned into their own intuitive feelings. In the case of intuition, hesitation can act as a motivator. If the trader feels the hesitation is because of lack of adequate preparation, then that trader must learn to spend more time preparing for trades. By studying the markets a trader can come to see new higher probability setups, thereby reducing doubt and indecision, and in turn stop the hesitation because of more adequate preparation.

*Hesitation sometimes reflects a deep desire to be right and a fear of being wrong. It has been our experience that many of the people who are attracted to trading fit into this category. Great care must be taken by physicians, engineers, scientific types, and mathematicians, who seem to be the most prone to this type of hesitation. They are often perfectionists afraid to face their inadequacies. By putting off a decision, they don't have to face their limitations, and can pretend they are better traders than they really are. If I had the time and space, I could give you dozens of examples of this kind of hesitation. The perfectionist’s reality states that everything must be in order and follow rules. They think strictly inside the box. They want everything to be perfect, so they continually second guess and doubt themselves and what they are doing. They believe that they cannot cope with being wrong. This occurs in trading decisions as well as other life decisions. Extreme perfectionists often think that once they make a bad trade, it will be the start of a downward spiral and a complete blowout of their trading account.

*Hesitation very often relates to low self-esteem or other deep-rooted psychological issues. We see these more times than we would like to. Traders with low self-esteem usually lack confidence, not only in trading, but other areas of life. Beneath it all, they doubt their ability to trade, and hesitate making a trade until they the guilt of not doing so overcomes their fear. At that point in time, they enter a trade out of pure compulsion driven by guilt. This exposes them to a trade with no real plan to support it. They become victims of pure chance.

We also find that traders who hesitate may have a conflict regarding their success. They can actually fear success. They have been told by parents or others that they were no good, that they would never amount to anything, that they were “bad.” These people strive for success at one level of their consciousness, but at a deeper level, they secretly believe they cannot attain it, or do not deserve it.

Identifying, directly facing, and eventually eliminating a problem of hesitation is the only way to truly deal with it. Chronic hesitation will eventually destroy the confidence a trader needs for success. If the problem is not dealt with and the traders continues to hesitate, miss important market moves, and see his or her equity begin to dwindle, that trader runs the risk of becoming a phantom trader, a pretender, becoming convinced that the imaginary trades being made are real. If you are prone to hesitation, it's vital that you deal with this problem early in your trading endeavors. Identify the reasons for it, confront the problem, and make changes as soon as possible. These are changes you have to make within yourself. If you will truly engage in self-examination with the object of eliminating hesitation, you can trade become consistent and successful in trading profitably.

BS.
 
Trading is about your emotional condition , fear and greed are two important factors that determine outcome. When you scared
it's hard to get in position , when have it , it's tough to get out.
You want MORE>>>>MORE>>>>>and you don't want to sell.
 
Quote from tickmagnet:

Trading is about your emotional condition , fear and greed are two important factors that determine outcome. When you scared
it's hard to get in position , when have it , it's tough to get out.
You want MORE>>>>MORE>>>>>and you don't want to sell.


It's already been said. Create a plan, paper trade it, tweak it, then stick to it.

Toss out the emotions, and stick to the plan.
 
Why would anyone hesitate in trading?


It sounds too simple but.......they are worried about what the market is going to do.

I trade best when I truly get to the point where I am not concerned what the market is going to do.

I spend all my energy on what I am going to do. What am I going to do if it goes up? What will I do if it goes down? What will it take for me to enter? What will it take for me to exit? What will i do if it goes sideways? What is my plan? What do I need to do?

Never worry about what the market is going to do. it is impossible to know. Billions are spent trying to predict it.

Rather worry about what you are going to do. It is the only thing you have any control over.:D
 
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