Herman Cain to run for president in 2012

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I think McCain would have been much better.

He isn't quite a republican so I think he would have followed a similar flawed line of thinking regarding stimulus and bailouts.

The difference would have been that the stimulus would not have been sent straight to the labor unions and the bailouts would not have been targeted to benefit left-wing ideology. McCain's "stimulus" would likely have been directed at a wider portion of the economy and not directed merely at huge institutions. There would have been some new kind of small business loan apparatus (agency if you like) to keep small businesses funded and probably a reduction of income taxes on the middle-class in an attempt to stimulate consumerism.

Would it have worked? I don't know because by 2008 most (well, many) people got it into their heads to save money at historically high rates so I think that money would have disappeared into savings accounts, bonds etc.

Certainly billions would not have been dumped into ill-advised "green industries" unless there was a solid market behind them.

Yeah, McCain would have done a better job with the economy.

But what about the wars?

It is entirely possible maybe probable that we would be kicking Iran's ass right now. It is not rational to allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons and something would have been done about it particularly while we already have troops in almost every border country. McCain would have propped up Mubarek, he would have had Assad deposed and would likely have directly gone after Ghaddafi.

So, I think McCain would have made a safer world than Obama.

War with Iran alone would have made the whole presidency a nightmare. McCain's stimulus would have been a tax cut for the rich. Worked real well before.
 
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War with Iran alone would have made the whole presidency a nightmare. McCain's stimulus would have been a tax cut for the rich. Worked real well before.

People refer to "war with Iran" which isn't quite how I see it.

War is waged between countries that are somewhat evenly matched. Our scenario with Iran would be more accurately characterized as us attacking them and then coping with whatever small responses they might be capable of, attacks on Gulf shipping, maybe lobbing a few missiles at Israel etc. It wouldn't be a war because it would be over quickly. I think the theocracy in Iran is ripe for being overthrown with a little help.
 
Quote from 377OHMS:

People refer to "war with Iran" which isn't quite how I see it.

War is waged between countries that are somewhat evenly matched. Our scenario with Iran would be more accurately characterized as us attacking them and then coping with whatever small responses they might be capable of, attacks on Gulf shipping, maybe lobbing a few missiles at Israel etc. It wouldn't be a war because it would be over quickly. I think the theocracy in Iran is ripe for being overthrown with a little help.

We can thank heavens somebody like you is not Commander-in-Chief.

The reason even Bush administration never touched Iran is because it is a tougher nut to crack than Iraq was (or Libya for that matter). Better air defense systems, more missilies, bigger army, etc. It is not that US can't defeat Iran it is at what cost and what level of panic would it cause for financial markets. Iranians are not simple people. They are willing to die in large numbers. "Blood fountains" and large numbers of people charging machine gun emplacements during Iran-Iraq war should tell you that.

US is not in a position to launch a serious war at the moment, and realistically, not going to be any time soon(and everybody knows it).
 
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The reason even Bush administration never touched Iran is because it is a tougher nut to crack than Iraq was (or Libya for that matter). Better air defense systems, more missilies, bigger army, etc. It is not that US can't defeat Iran it is at what cost and what level of panic would it cause for financial markets. Iranians are not simple people. They are willing to die in large numbers. "Blood fountains" and large numbers of people charging machine gun emplacements during Iran-Iraq war should tell you that.

That is simply factually inaccurate.

The russians withheld sale of advanced integrated defense systems to Tehran in exchange for our withdrawing our proposed missile defense from Poland and Czechoslovakia. You don't think we didn't get something for cancelling that program did you?

If the Iranians want to charge Abrams and Bradleys in little white pickup trucks that is fine, we already have lots of practice shooting little white pickup trucks.

Iran won't be allowed to develop nuclear weapons, even Obama isn't so stupid as to allow that to happen. Might as well overturn the theocracy while we're there. A democratic Iran alongside a democratic Iraq would be a good thing for the whole region.
 
Quote from 377OHMS:

That is simply factually inaccurate.

The russians withheld sale of advanced integrated defense systems to Tehran in exchange for our withdrawing our proposed missile defense from Poland and Czechoslovakia. You don't think we didn't get something for cancelling that program did you?

If the Iranians want to charge Abrams and Bradleys in little white pickup trucks that is fine, we already have lots of practice shooting little white pickup trucks.

Iran won't be allowed to develop nuclear weapons, even Obama isn't so stupid as to allow that to happen. Might as well overturn the theocracy while we're there. A democratic Iran alongside a democratic Iraq would be a good thing for the whole region.

You are hopeless that is all.
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

You are hopeless that is all.

Says the guy who claims Stalin was a great leader/man.

As if you have any credibility.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Says the guy who claims Stalin was a great leader/man.

As if you have any credibility.

Actually he was a great leader. As for the man, the answer will depend on whom you ask.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Says the guy who claims Stalin was a great leader/man.

As if you have any credibility.

Stalin inherited USSR which was devstated by a Civil War and consequences of LOSING WWI and a poor agrarian nation, he left it a superpower, victor in WWII, with thermonuclear weapons to boot. Regardless of what you may think about it, Stalin propelled USSR to heights it never seen before. Russia to this day enjoys things that were won under Stalin.
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

You are trolling. I will never vote for a phony Uncle Tom and he will be exposed as such once he gets "the frontrunner" treatment from the press. Being a skilled politician requires paying attention to what you say and sticking to your talking points. Herman Cain was VERY weak in his head- to- head with Lawrence O'Donnell

Luke eventually calls most of us a racist.
 
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