Here's something for the limp wristed gun control crowd

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

...There's no penalty that will persuade criminals to stop being criminals. If capital punishment doesn't deter how the hell is a fine or a few months in jail for mere possession going to deter?
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Good point. For starters, I wonder if years rather than months would help curb simple possession. (No, I'm not saying that Canada has that. But it should.) My principal point is that "more of the same" doesn't seem to be working in the aggregate. You guys are not making headway. I understand the very real need to protect yourself and your loved ones, but look at your country and the direction it is taking. The status quo is presently a slow downward spiral. How do you propose to get your country back on track where it deserves to be? And I'm only talking about the beloved gun culture, where the cure just happens to be the poison. (Or is it the poison that is also the cure? I can never be sure.)
 
The cause of crime in the U.S. isn't the "beloved gun culture". It's Blacks and Mexicans. An American white is no more violent than a Canadian or Australian white.

I doubt very many murderers in America are card carrying members of the NRA.

If America wants to rid itself of crime all it needs do is ban blacks and Mexicans. That notion is considered obscene but it's no more obscene than taking away a constitutional right in order to accommodate criminals.

Rather than take away guns from law abiding American's how about executing ipso facto anyone convicted of murder? How about mandatory life for any crime involving a gun? How about treating Mexican's who commit gun crimes as enemy combatants? The Left would freak out at the perceived injustice but they have zero problem with squashing one of man's basic rights, the right to self defense.

Quote from Thunderdog:

Good point. For starters, I wonder if years rather than months would help curb simple possession. (No, I'm not saying that Canada has that. But it should.) My principal point is that "more of the same" doesn't seem to be working in the aggregate. You guys are not making headway. I understand the very real need to protect yourself and your loved ones, but look at your country and the direction it is taking. The status quo is presently a shallow downward spiral. How do you propose to get your country back on track where it deserves to be? And I'm talking about the beloved gun culture, where the cure just happens to be the poison, let alone the absurd rise in religious fundamentalism.
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I live in Houston so perhaps I can shed some light on this debate, LOL....

A reporter once asked the District Attorney about the high rate of executions from Harris County (Houston) and what kind of message that was sending to the world?

Answer: Don't commit murder in Harris County...

I grew up with guns...still have few...pretty good shot...

First, why is a NON- citizen allowed to buy a gun anyway?

I would be in favor of very strong education before you can get a permit for a concealed weapon...take a month for the background check...etc etc....no fully automatic weapons allowed, at all....

You sell a gun to a unauthorized person...bamm...go to jail....no exceptions....

I don't know what the statistics are when broken down regarding spousal killings, gang related, robberies, fights between two people who know search other....all different situations that "gun control" would not address...

Lady here in town found her hubby screwing around....ran over him with her new Mercedes....TWICE....

Military: An old law dating from the Civil War prevents the US Military from being used without the Governor of a State REQUESTING the troops....that was the problem of Katrina, Gov would not allow Fed troops into Louisiana....

SteveD
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Perhaps there are far fewer "positive" gun stories to tell.

Surely you know the old saw that one definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different outcome. Look at the level of gun crimes in your country. For some reason, your rampant gun culture does not seem to be solving your growing problem. Evidently, far too many people want to be gun-toting rugged individualists and they have the legal right to do so.

Baaah baah baaaaaaaah......
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Oh, I'd say that there are FAR more positive stories to tell. But you tell me, how would they appeal to a news outlet?

And you show your ignorance by saying that we have a 'rampant gun culture'. I NEVER assume that someone has a gun, no matter where I go. It just shows, again, that you are nothing but a gullible borrego when you believe that nonsense....
 
Quote from traderNik:

WHAT????

Canada's sensationalist media? Are you joking? This is coming from an American? I will guess that you've never watched a Canadian news broadcast. During the Vermont tragedy, the CBC refused to broadcast repeated images of the killer and the phone video and stills of the events. There was a big debate about it on national radio here this past Sunday. Most agreed that we don't want or certainly need to see these things repeatedly. Compare and contrast that to your news services.

Sorry Haroki, but that's just absurd. Countries with gun control have way less gun violence per capita than the U.S. The problem isn't a sensationalist media which is brainwashing us poor Canadian sheeple. There are plenty of links to the U.S. DOJ numbers in this thread - I suggest you click on a few of them.

Your fellow 2nd Amendment advocates here are positing a bunch of other theories to explain the levels of gun violence in the U.S. But none of them has ever tried to claim that there is no problem and that it is non-US media that are lying about these levels.

I have asked repeatedly for some indication of how many times a civilian uses a gun to protect him or herself from violence, since this is one of the foundations of the gun lobby's claims re: free access to guns - we need to be able to defend ourselves. My guess is that out of the 10,000+ gun deaths in the U.S in 2004, some infinitesimally small number were attributable to this type of self-defense.

Unfortunately, I will again have to include a disclaimer - I am not necessarily for the complete abolishment of private gun ownership, or even private handgun ownership. This kid walked into a gun shop and purchased a gun then did it again a month later. He was a red-flag case if there ever was one. There needs to be a way to make sure that after the diagnoses he had, he is not EVER able to walk into a gun shop and buy a gun. That is it. Period. That's the kind of gun control I am talking about - common sense gun control that even 2nd Amendment guys (the rational ones) would agree on.
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C'mon Nik, you're a better troll than that......

Reread my statement, and then read my statement to Tdog explaining his error in assuming the same point as you are doing...

Then get back to me with an apology for trying to twist my statement.
 
Quote from Haroki:

C'mon Nik, you're a better troll than that......

Reread my statement, and then read my statement to Tdog explaining his error in assuming the same point as you are doing...

Then get back to me with an apology for trying to twist my statement.
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I see... so T-Dog and I read your hysterics and then both arrived at the same mistaken conclusion, right? Everyone misquoted you, identically.

I expected better of you. I tried to make my point without resorting to name calling, but apparently, that was beyond you. Dangerously Z-like in your response here, Haroki. I've seen you at your best, and this isn't it. Are you really like Z, in the sense that you post your opinions here without the desire to hear what others have to say about them? Are you like Z - never ever wrong?
 
Quote from Haroki:

There's the problem - YOUR Canadian media has you brainwashed to believe that guns are everywhere in the US, etc. Their and apparently most of Canada's liberal views are that handguns are bad and have no positive use- therefore, they will only put in print the (stories that strenthen their views) - and also which by the way - will sell lotsa copy(sensationalistic stories sell copy) due to their( stories) sensationalistic nature.

You are - to put it simply - one of the sheeple.....
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English 101 for Nik. See crib notes inside paras...

So yes, it appears that both you and Tdog are incorrect.

Whatsa matta, you Canucks got an inferiority complex about our superior American culture/media/economy??????

:D :D
 
Haroki, it appears to me that you are so saturated in it that you don't even recognize it anymore because it's part of who you are. You have become desensitized. I wish you well.
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Haroki, it appears to me that you are so saturated in it that you don't even recognize it anymore because it's part of who you are. You have become desensitized. I wish you well.
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And you know you're right about our 'rampant gun culture' becaaaaaaause? .....................?

You saw it on tv, right? LMAO !!
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

...If America wants to rid itself of crime all it needs do is ban blacks and Mexicans. That notion is considered obscene but it's no more obscene than taking away a constitutional right in order to accommodate criminals.
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That's an extreme statement, and you know it. So if it's not one extreme then it's the other, right? Compared to many other first world countries, I think you will agree that the US is a study in extremes. However, I don't think it was this attribute that has led it to its historic achievements. Rather, I think that this attribute is a stain on its otherwise impressive history.

Consider a trader who has had a great run and then becomes insufferably arrogant, complacent and self-satisfied. It wasn't those attributes that got him there. Those are the ones that will take him down.
 
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