Here's How Bad Vegas Is - Don't Let the 'Green Shoot' Crowd Bullshit You

Quote from ByLoSellHi:

Most AC casinos are BK, and many LV casinos are operating in or near BK.

Agreed, they are all a few bad weeks away from going under.

Just surprised how quickly the crowds came back after the brutal winter months. Guess people will keep spending as long as their credit cards will allow them to.
 
Quote from Clubber Lang:

Agreed, they are all a few bad weeks away from going under.

Just surprised how quickly the crowds came back after the brutal winter months. Guess people will keep spending as long as their credit cards will allow them to.

I have no doubt AC was packed full of people when you were there, as you say.

The busiest time for the casinos, at least in LV, according to a concierge I spoke with, is Memorial Day Weekend - we got stuck there after an ICSC convention because of a very bad string of bad luck with Northwest Airlines, and the people coming in from all over on that Friday to Bellagio was amazing.

This year, I'm not sure how busy they were, as we left in advance, as usual.

But the table game revenue is way down, the restaurant average ticket is about 40% off, and more heavy discounts are being offered.

The most conspicuous thing I noticed was that I didn't see anyone betting crazy at night, after business was concluded. Two years ago, there were guys betting 10k a hand on blackjack tables, splitting, and doubling down. There was a guy stuck nearly 40k on a craps table (and he came back to win 130k - I saw it unfold in front of me at Bellagio).

There were no big bets, and even the parties sucked this year compared to the past 5 years.

And then attendance at the convention was way down - maybe 1/3 of what it was in the peak year, which was probably 2006.
 
Quote from new$:

Total bullshit.

100*30,000 = $3,000,000

200*30,000 = $6,000,000

Yeah, I'm sure they guy dropped 3-6 million in tips in one day.


http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Dec-29-Thu-2005/news/5116535.html


The article clearly states-

""He regularly tipped Bellagio dealers $1 million. All 700 dealers would get a cut,"
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That's $1400 per dealer, a far cry from the $30,000 per dealer that peilthebullshitter said.
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

I have no doubt AC was packed full of people when you were there, as you say.

The most conspicuous thing I noticed was that I didn't see anyone betting crazy at night, after business was concluded. Two years ago, there were guys betting 10k a hand on blackjack tables, splitting, and doubling down.
There were no big bets, and even the parties sucked this year compared to the past 5 years.

Very good point.

Although the tables were mobbed, I didn't see the usual bigtime action being played. Alot of table minimum bets and a few medium size players but no big players.
 
i saw a $2 table craps in vegas next to circus circus casino
It had only 1 table few black jack table and few machine
I Think it was opposite Riveria casino
I really enjoyed playing
I want to go to vegas in jan but i am not sure if that $2 craps will still be there
It was really funn playing there : - )
 
Quote from Ticketwatcher:

I always pay attention to what you have to say, whether it be about trading on the Opening Orders Thread or anything else you care to post about.

What I take from what you had to say, is that you and your family believe in living below your means, at least not beyond your means.

And that says it all, business and Gubmint, spent and continue to spend a whole lot of money they did not and do not have. What is more their idiotic practices encouraged a whole lot of other good folk to spend money they did not have.

I guess us humble traders who have traded in more than a couple of different decades, took our risks and continue to take our risks FULLY understanding that is our risk, and expect to cover our mistakes however costly, because we have lived our lives believing that we had no other choice, it we stumbled and fell down there would be no bailouts.

Appreciate the comments. I was the one in the family that got caught up in the early 80's, big houses, BMW's etc. too much partying as we called it, LOL. By the 90's is was more like kids and Volvo's, LOL. Enjoyed the "excesses" of playing blackjack, full comped at nice places, but that didn't last too long (for obvious reasons, we we got a good year or two of trips and fun).

I get your point, whether it's business, trading, or employment, the risks have to be understood, we all have to realize that there is no "backstop" or "do overs." - Keep things in proper perspective. And EDUCATE our KIDS.

This decade, enjoyed playing the World Poker Tour in Paris, WSOP here in Vegas, and watching my grandkids. I take my son and his wife and my grandson to places like Laughlin, Stateliine, Mesquite (where I can usually play without being barred, as long as I don't bet over $200 or something, usually pays off).

I know people find it hard to believe, but this is one reason that I actually enjoy travelling around the Country doing my liitle dinner workshops, meeting with traders and other Firms.... nice to part of this Industry (the good part, not the jackals we see on TV).

Again I ramble, all the best to everyone. Come visit Vegas, much cheaper these days, LOL.

'Don
 
Quote from ksonsinc:

i saw a $2 table craps in vegas next to circus circus casino
It had only 1 table few black jack table and few machine
I Think it was opposite Riveria casino
I really enjoyed playing
I want to go to vegas in jan but i am not sure if that $2 craps will still be there
It was really funn playing there : - )

You can find smaller games around, they will not go away. What happens is that, for obbious reasons, they up the table minimums when they are too full, and lower when they need players..simply good business.

They are starting to have cool mechanical blackjack dealers now, a bit weird, but kinda cool.

Don
 
Quote from swiftmike99:

People doing physical labour should not be compensated 150k/year. I am glad USA is coming back to its roots. Where the skilled workers will be rewared for their 4 years spend in college/university. Not some high school dropout waiter.

:eek:

If there is one category of person that should really be paid high salaries, it's them.

They are accepting to do the most tiring job, often in really bad social conditions, while sometimes risking their life and in the end dying earlier than us because they worked their asses off...

My college years were the most unproductive thing I did in my life and I made no effort at all going through it. If I had known trading before entering university, I would not have gone. I simply did because I had nothing else to do with my life. I am almost ashamed of it now...It would be horrible if one's success was solely based on his capacity to do exactly what he has been told to.

And in fact salaries have nothing to do with a reward at any level. The higher you get in money the less work is involved. You have got one self made man that create 3 generations of semi unemployed losers that wait for interest rates and dividends...While on the other side Main Street continues to build them homes for a laughable pay and hypothetical retirement...
 
Quote from ralph00:

Speaking of another destination ... we rented a house at the Jersey shore for the summer. On an anecdotal basis, after a bad June (rained nearly every day for about 3 weeks), business looks to be hopping. Restaurants are as jammed as usual. There doesn't seem to be a ton of inventory for rent either.


A good year. The people who have money. and vacation to islands before, are careful with thier money now, and downgrade to local beaches. So for some the bad economy is good business.
 
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