here you go, meat eaters...

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Not scared.. a better word would be lazy. It's so damn easy to hit the drive-thru or take-out and grab a bite to eat. I often get a salad or something, but it's not real filling. Society just isn't set up for vegetarians.

I think eventually the whole world will be vegetarian because of

- diseases animals get. something like 1/3 or more chickens have salmonella, which is why you have to cook it so well. beef scares seem to be getting more and more frequent. hoof and mouth disease? who wants to deal with that???

- economics. meat is expensive and doesn't keep well. grains and fruits and vegetables keep much better, and in most cases have their own protective skin.

- cruelty to animals. if everyone had to watch a video or make a personal visit to a slaughterhouse, i bet 50%+ would no longer eat meat.

slightly off-topic, but most kids who torture/torment animals will grow up to be abusers. that means some form of domestic violence, beating their kids, violence toward others, etc. it seems people either respect *ALL* living things, or they don't respect *ANY*.
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These are good points ... this reminds me of why I passed on a deep sea fishing trip last weekend, as fishing, imo, is cruelty to animals....however, I have always struggled with the "respect for all living things" aspect...aren't vegetables and fruit also living things when they are picked/eaten????? "All living things" should not differentiate between animal or plant, should it??.....any opinions???:confused:

FWIW, I read somewhere that humans are the only animals that (routinely) share their food with other animals....
 
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....however, I have always struggled with the "respect for all living things" aspect...aren't vegetables and fruit also living things when they are picked/eaten????? "All living things" should not differentiate between animal or plant, should it??.....any opinions???:confused:

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basically, we are not able to detect that vegetables (hence the term "vegetable") notice anything happening. i don't think we have a responsibility beyond that which we are aware. but, you can see fear and panic in an animals eyes when it knows it is about to be slaughtered. vegetables and fruits don't squirm and shriek out in pain and try to bite you when you stick a sharp blade in them.

also, we have to eat something or else we will die. we can't eat rocks. i am not so much against eating animals if that is required to survive. lions in the wild eat other animals, they can't reasonably get enough sustenance from anything else. look at their teeth, long and sharp for tearing meat. look at ours, just like a rabbit basically, for eating plants. we don't need to kill and eat other animals to survive.
 
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basically, we are not able to detect that vegetables (hence the term "vegetable") notice anything happening. i don't think we have a responsibility beyond that which we are aware. but, you can see fear and panic in an animals eyes when it knows it is about to be slaughtered. vegetables and fruits don't squirm and shriek out in pain and try to bite you when you stick a sharp blade in them.

also, we have to eat something or else we will die. we can't eat rocks. i am not so much against eating animals if that is required to survive. lions in the wild eat other animals, they can't reasonably get enough sustenance from anything else. look at their teeth, long and sharp for tearing meat. look at ours, just like a rabbit basically, for eating plants. we don't need to kill and eat other animals to survive.
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don't be so sure.personally i once saw an apple shake with fear when approached with blade in hand. i am more careful now. i hide the knife behind my back hidden from wary eyes till the very last moment i plunge it deep and forcefully into the hapless fruit's core! a more humane treatment imo. don't ever forget that fruit have feelings too! :-/
 
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we don't need to kill and eat other animals to survive.
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I agree on the first part about no need for me to kill other animals... but that doesnt mean we shouldnt eat em, if we find em readily packaged for us in the shops...
 
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we have to eat something or else we will die. we can't eat rocks. we don't need to kill and eat other animals to survive.
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Perhaps we could eat rocks, if they weren't too large. I think a well balanced diet could include both plant and rock material. We could all eat FRuiTY PeBBLeS.




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I agree on the first part about no need for me to kill other animals... but that doesnt mean we shouldn't eat em, if we find em readily packaged for us in the shops...
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Would you use the same reasoning to eat human flesh if it came readily packaged in the shops? (it's only a matter of time)
 
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Would you use the same reasoning to eat human flesh if it came readily packaged in the shops? (it's only a matter of time)
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I eat bitches all the time... very wholesome and rich in calories...
 
Ultmately all life derives its nutrition from vegitation. That's why carnivours almost always feast on herbavours, it's an indirect way of getting at plant proteins. So that explains why humans almost always eat herbaviors (chickens, turkeys, and cows) not not carnivours (snakes, lions, vultures, dogs, etc). The few people that do eat catnivours, I bet don't eat them regularly.
Doesn't matter now cause almost all food gets engineered and mass produced at factory farms; everything from fruits to animals. You could be eating an apple with implanted cockroach genes and not even know it.
The realm of nature is becoming engineered and the realm of the engineered is becoming natural - Kevin Kelly.
 
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