Help with my 1st GUN purchase

Quote from wartrace:

I think the acronym they used at Parris Island was "Brasf" which stood for breathe, release, aim, squeeze, fire.

If I recall correctly you took a breath, released half of it, aimed , squeezed the trigger and fired.

We shot at targets from 460 meters (really big targets ) :D and I was able to group pretty tight.
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Yes, but you were prone :) And it's BRASS (slack being the first S).

Edit: never mind, I see the good Captain has already clarified.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

Correct breathing is basic firing protocol at any distance. Books have been written on the subject.
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I suspect you are talking about an awful lot of practice to engage those skills in a real gunfight.


I have a friend that is a blackwater type sniper.
Basically says marksmanship casually firing on the range has nothing to do with real life.

At least the body has to be under some duress to get an idea how well you'll do.
I'm not an expert but if you're not Practicing while short of breath I'm not sure you're doing anything but increasing your confidence.

More advanced skill would include vestibular stimulation and SOB, just prior to or during target practice.
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

I suspect you are talking about an awful lot of practice to engage those skills in a real gunfight.


I have a friend that is a blackwater type sniper.
Basically says marksmanship casually firing on the range has nothing to do with real life.

At least the body has to be under some duress to get an idea how well you'll do.
I'm not an expert but if you're not Practicing while short of breath I'm not sure you're doing anything but increasing your confidence.

More advanced skill would include vestibular stimulation and SOB, just prior to or during target practice.
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Absolutely correct. When I practice at this level, I start with the weapon broken down. I have targets set at a particular location, but where I need to fire from is a good quarter mile from where I'm starting. I start the clock, assemble the weapon, run to the engagement point, drop prone and engage the targets, scoring myself on the hit within the time allowed.

For an added level of difficulty, I've thought of getting someone else to randomly move the targets so I don't know where they are at first, but yes, even with this exercise, it still does not mimic being fired back at.
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

I suspect you are talking about an awful lot of practice to engage those skills in a real gunfight.


I have a friend that is a blackwater type sniper.
Basically says marksmanship casually firing on the range has nothing to do with real life.

At least the body has to be under some duress to get an idea how well you'll do.
I'm not an expert but if you're not Practicing while short of breath I'm not sure you're doing anything but increasing your confidence.

More advanced skill would include vestibular stimulation and SOB, just prior to or during target practice.
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Your friend is correct. Many factors come into play which are difficult if not impossible to duplicate. Fatigue, the environment in which you're at, weather in general, under fire or not, wounded yourself, lot's of chaos around you, fear with a capital F, etc. etc. It ain't the rifle range. It ain't simulated war games.
Snipers have a better opportunity to get as "relaxed" as realisticly possible, but the grunt in the field who is under fire is in more of a point and shoot situation. Hence the need for high capacity magazines and assualt style weaponary.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

the grunt in the field who is under fire is in more of a point and shoot situation. Hence the need for high capacity magazines and assualt style weaponary.
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Also the killer in the classroom has a need for high capacity magazines and assault style weaponry.
 
Quote from Trader13:

The misinformation about choosing a gun is almost as bad as it is for how to trade profitably.

For home defense, which I assume is your motive in getting a gun, your best choice is a revolver. It's the most reliable and simple to operate firearm, period. You don't have to disassemble it to clean it, you don't have to fumble with a safety or rack the action to prepare it for firing, and it won't jam on you like a semi-auto when your grip isn't just right.

There are good reasons for choosing a completely different type of weapon, but you would have to be specific about your intent.
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Particularly for someone with little or no firearm experience this is not bad advice.
 
Quote from wartrace:

165 grains (308) vs 55 grains(223)

http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/ballistics/2012CatalogCenterSpread.pdf

It's all about the deliverable. How much energy are you delivering to the target?

Look at the ballistics chart and tell me you want a .223 at 500 yards.......:D
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Interesting chart.. holy fucking 50 BMG!

Still even though the .308 is a bigger and deadlier round than the .223, we're still talking about rifles. I have to think if the M16/M4 are good enough for our soldiers, then they get the job done. I've seen arguments on other forums that the .223 is underpowered but the way I think about it is the rifles are lighter, shorter, less recoil = more forgiveness for missing. Not that I need to say this, but feel free to point out where I'm wrong.
 
Quote from PiggyBank:

Interesting chart.. holy fucking 50 BMG!

Still even though the .308 is a bigger and deadlier round than the .223, we're still talking about rifles. I have to think if the M16/M4 are good enough for our soldiers...
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Then why were they breaking out mothballed M14's in Iraq a few years ago? :)
 
Quote from Hoofhearted:

Agreed the M1A is a better choice- IF- you are owning it for practical purposes.

Sounds like the OP is wanting it more to make a statement, which the AR15 does.

It makes a nice wall hanger, if that's your thing, but will likely never keep you warm under the blanket the way a good firearm will.

I prefer a 12 ga pump shotgun myself. Buckshot can easily turn an unwanted intruder into wall paint. Slugs are accurate enough if I feel the need to kill at a distance.

The semi-auto is likely superior shotgun, as FC mentioned, but I still prefer a Mossberg pump because they're reliable and require little maintenance.
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making a statement.. lol. To whom? certainly not anon handles on the interwebs.

Few people will even know I have this (assuming I can actually get one), but like i said several times in this thread already - I'm not all that concerned about home defense. I want a gun, and after doing some research, I like the ar-15. Now, you can call that an ignorant statement since I don't even know how to shoot and I can't really argue, but I fail to see how the ar-15 isn't useful for practical purposes.
 
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