Hell is more real than you think! THE PROOF that God exists.

[virtusa]

But Jesus give his life to save you in the spiritual world so your soul won’t be taken into “Hell”.

Do you have any HARD PROOF of that?
I can make the opposite statement and have the same proof as you. We both have no hard proof.

All animals and insects are born, they live for some time and they die. Do they also have a God, a heaven and a hell?

Humans are just a higher evolved specie from animals. We live the same cyclus and when we are dead we disappear forever and get decomposed.Just like animals and insects.

 

[Centuria100]

Do you have any HARD PROOF of that?

No I don’t and no one has.

But that is exactly the reason why God give you the freewill to accept to believe what the bible said or to die like an insect, is not up to me to convince you or probe you something is up to you to think what you want or believe what you want at the end i don’t care what you do with your life is not my life is yours, i am responsible of mine.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

I have one.
I have oftentimes asked this question and I've never got an answer.

One of the main tenets of Christianity is that Jesus suffered and died on the cross for our sins. Right?

John 3:16 paraphrase: "For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son".

Now, I'm not being blasphemous here, but I've met my share of devout Southern Baptists, and man they will let you know that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was quintessential act of God.... giving up his own son for our sins.
I mean I'm not gonna say... bfd.... but bfd.

What about all those mothers, fathers, wives, and children that gave up their beloved on places like Omaha Beach, Mount Surabachi, or any other of the 100's of battlefields of WW2 where so many young men willingly sacrificed THEIR lives without question, in order to stop an evilness that threatened multitudes and multitudes of innocents?

Can you answer me that?

What makes Jesus so special in your eyes?
Why is his death heralded eternally while millions have also suffered, some many times more.

They too died for all our salvation as far as I can see. But I'll wait for an answer. And keep it under one page, and write it without one quote from the bible.
I'm all ears.

Jesus was crucified at the time of Passover. You probably already know this, but when the Israelites resided in Egypt, the Pharaoh would not let the people go. As punishment, God sent an Angel of death and every firstborn male in each household died. However, God made a provision for the Israelites, that if they would kill a lamb and apply the blood of the lamb to the doorposts, then when the Angel of death saw the blood, he would PASS OVER that house and the firstborn son would not die.


The passover lamb was a substitute, it died in place of the first born son. Jesus is also our Passover Lamb. When God sees that we have applied His blood to ourselves, kind of like how the Israelites had to apply the lamb's blood to the doorposts, God will passover our sins.


The beginning of animal sacrifices happened immediately after Adam and Eve rebelled against God and provided an ongoing reminder that people now live in a rebellious state against God, our judgment is everlasting death, and our only hope of escape is through a substitute.


Could a mere human’s death be a substitute for sin? No, because we are all under the same judgment, we all have sinned. God’s wrath against sin MUST be appeased. Think in terms of a Judge dealing with those who have committed treason--no matter how much the Judge might want to restore them, if they committed treason and the punishment for treason is death, the law must be obeyed and they must die.


God Himself decided to become our Substitute so that justice would be done, our sins would be punished, and we could be reconciled to Himself.


There is One God, yet He exists in 3 persons, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God is uncreated, holy, righteous, loving, and a righteous Judge. All of this I can back up with Scripture. God planned that the Father would send the Son into our world, to take on humanity, become one of us, yet truly remain fully God.


Jesus’s death therefore, was that of our loving God, dying so that whoever would believe in Him, recognizing their treason/rebellious state against Him is worthy of eternal judgment, and entrusting themselves to Him to save them from their sin, would be forgiven and be reconciled to God with the promise of an eternity with God in heaven. Jesus rose on the third day demonstrating that He has power over death and that just as He conquered death, so too, those who believe in Him, have the promise of future resurrection to an everlasting life with Him.


God the Father gave up His Son, to die for our sins. He did so out of love for us, and at a great cost to Himself and to His Son.


In WWII parents gave up their sons in order to save others from the enemy. God showed us how much He loves us by giving up His Son to deliver us from the enemies of our sin, death and Satan.


(Note: I didn't quote any Bible verses, because you asked me not to, but I can back up everything I said with Bible verses. )

I hope this was helpful.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

Do you have any HARD PROOF of that?
I can make the opposite statement and have the same proof as you. We both have no hard proof.

All animals and insects are born, they live for some time and they die. Do they also have a God, a heaven and a hell?

Humans are just a higher evolved specie from animals. We live the same cyclus and when we are dead we disappear forever and get decomposed.Just like animals and insects.

I have provided quite a bit of evidence on these threads that no one seems to be able to refute.

1. Here are just a couple prophecies, written hundreds of years before Jesus. This IS evidence.

But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:5,6


And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced...Zechariah 12:10​

2. In addition to the prophecies about Jesus, the condition of people, as sinners in needs of reconciliation with God is a theme that starts with the very first Book in the Bible. This also is evidence, because it confirms the message that we need a Savior.

"Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" Genesis 3:11

But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. Isaiah 59:2​

3. There are written records of Jesus ministry in the gospels. Written testimonies can be received as evidence in the court system. This is also evidence.

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[murray t turtle]

Good points.

The Bible does predict global warming in Revelation. However, it's not from manmade environmental contaminants, but a judgment of God.

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HOT , HOTTER on left coast;
its cool, cooler than average in our southern state.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

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HOT , HOTTER on left coast;
its cool, cooler than average in our southern state.

Yes, it's hot outside! Must be nice to have cooler weather where you are at.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

I listen to this song a lot. It's beautiful and reminds me how much Jesus loves me/us that He would suffer the way He did.

It's just Bible verses put to music. Most of the lyrics come from Isaiah 53.

You were despised
You were rejected Lord
Those who passed by
Even averted their gaze from your sight
Such was the suffering you bore for us
Led like a lamb, lamb to the slaughter
You spoke not a word
Chose to be silent
Though you did no wrong
Nor was deceitfulness found in you
Yet by your wounds our salvation has come
Yet by your suffering our freedom is won
For God has highly exalted your name
He has enthroned you on high
Jesus the name above all names (2x)
Led like a lamb, lamb to the slaughter
You spoke not a word
Chose to be silent
Though you did no wrong
Nor was deceitfulness found in you
Yet by your wounds our salvation has come
Yet by your suffering our freedom is won
(For) God has highly exalted your name
He has enthroned you on high
Jesus the name above all names (2x)
Yet by your wounds our salvation has come
Yet by your suffering our freedom is won
(For) God has highly exalted your name
He has enthroned you on high
Jesus the name above all names (2x)
https://genius.com/Robin-mark-highly-exalted-lyrics​

 

[virtusa]

I have provided quite a bit of evidence on these threads that no one seems to be able to refute.

1. Here are just a couple prophecies, written hundreds of years before Jesus. This IS evidence.

But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:5,6


And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced...Zechariah 12:10​

2. In addition to the prophecies about Jesus, the condition of people, as sinners in needs of reconciliation with God is a theme that starts with the very first Book in the Bible. This also is evidence, because it confirms the message that we need a Savior.

"Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" Genesis 3:11

But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. Isaiah 59:2​

3. There are written records of Jesus ministry in the gospels. Written testimonies can be received as evidence in the court system. This is also evidence.

​

That's no scientific proof at all.
In history many books were written. A written book is no proof. I can write a book about God too and tell all this is fake.

"Written testimonies can be received as evidence in the court system."
So if I kill somebody and my wife writes to the Court I did not do that, that is hard proof that I did not kill???

"Can" is not equal to "will be". "Can" can be refused as evidence and be regarded as fake.

 

[tomorton]

That's no scientific proof at all.
In history many books were written. A written book is no proof. I can write a book about God too and tell all this is fake.

"Written testimonies can be received as evidence in the court system."
So if I kill somebody and my wife writes to the Court I did not do that, that is hard proof that I did not kill???

"Can" is not equal to "will be". "Can" can be refused as evidence and be regarded as fake.

Really well put.

In a strictly legal sense, all evidence concerning the existence of gods is hearsay - unless those gods appear and testify on their own behalf.

There is evidence of unexplained things that have happened of course - like the parting of the Red Sea for example - and this is valid if it was reported by a reliable witness. But attributing these things to a deity is speculation and would be struck out as testimony.

In any case, the only people who would be convinced by evidence that gods exist are people who already believe in gods, without the evidence. And the only people who would be convinced that Jesus was the son of one them are Christians: nobody else cares.

 

[userque]

But attributing these things to a deity is speculation and would be struck out as testimony.

FWIW: The courts allow/accept opinions/speculations (especially) from deemed expert witnesses.

In any case, the only people who would be convinced by evidence that gods exist are people who already believe in gods, without the evidence.

There have been atheists who have converted based upon what they considered to be evidence. In the story I'm remembering, the original atheist worked in the science field.

And the only people who would be convinced that Jesus was the son of one them are Christians: nobody else cares.

Well ... yeah. That's the definition of a Christian.

It's like saying that the only people that believe in a flat Earth ... are Flat Earthers: nobody else does. [Because if they did, they would not be an "else" anymore; they'd be a Flat Earther.