Hedge Fund Strategies

Quote from Frank Thomas:

Dima777,


It just seemed to me that TraderZones was just flaming. “look at me I work for IB’s and know more then any of you and I am not sharing”. It just seems to me if a person worked with a “big” algo trading operation and happened to be here on ET, they would throw in their .02 on the subject or just be a reader and keep their thoughts to their self.


There was no flaming. The OP asked a question, I told him what I saw. I also said the reality of trying to mimic large institutions was unlikely.

Several of the followon responses were rather naive.
 
Why are people asking this TraderZones clown for advice on a profitable trading strategy?!?!?!? Do people actually believe TZ knows what ANY hedgefund out there actually does? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Quote from TraderZones:

arbs, and many other complex strategies that require a lot of computational power and proprietary methods. You are not going to find your Holy Grail down this path. (BTW, I will not have more to offer if you keep digging)

How is your system getting on still trying to sell it? How have the returns been?
 
Quote from PatrickQ:

Why would you have to use either? Stat arb, etc. pure math, Stand Dev. and such forth ... only a sample of the universe on how to see the market. what is right? no clue, dont care. use what works for you ... and what level of trader you are ... this game is a never ending game of change and progression!

i am wondering why you would separate statistical analysis from the technical...even if they are different they are not from another worlds as is the case with tech-funds pair...take Bollinger bands - it uses standard deviations that you mention...
 
For equities, the black boxes were largely pair trading systems until maybe 2003. The strategies are more complicated now, but the principles are similar, meaning that they look for relative value.
 
Quote from Frank Thomas:

In general they do not trade the direction of price. [/B]

you mean they are contrarian? they initiate trades before trend reversal?
 
Quote from dubes:

For equities, the black boxes were largely pair trading systems until maybe 2003. The strategies are more complicated now, but the principles are similar, meaning that they look for relative value.

can you please elaborate on the relative value method?
 
Onto something in this thread collectively, but it would take awhile to figure out how to use statistics in a strategy. Don't ask, don't tell, is how I'd intepret the question. If you're curious what the results look like, I think my system is a perfect example of what's been talked about here.
 
Quote from dima777:

you mean they are contrarian? they initiate trades before trend reversal?

Dima777,

No, it is as Dubes said, relative value. For example, this is a trade a lot of hedgefunds had on long GS, short LEH (or MER or MS or BSC) is a simple example or it could have been +1GS -2LEH +1MER. With positions such as these it is not direction of the stock market or the specific stock it is the "relative value" or the spread price that you are trading. With these spreads you could put many diffrent legs on and weight the legs diffrently also. And then they have strategies to how they go about creating those positions.

To my knowledge a great deal of hedge fund trading is some form of spread trading based on diffrent forms of statistical analysis.

Another one would be the price of a commodity and how it correlates to a companies earnings. When you start thinking about it you can come up with lots of ideas but also markets are very efficient so it is not quite that simple. You still have to figure out how to put the trade on. It is no problem when trying to put a position on that is like 20,000 shares but hedge funds trade with a lot of money so it makes it a bit more complicated.
 
Quote from Frank Thomas:

Dima777,
It is no problem when trying to put a position on that is like 20,000 shares but hedge funds trade with a lot of money so it makes it a bit more complicated.
Can you think of a Hedge Fund strategy for a small retail trader who can benefit from their smaller size? What would it look like?

Thank you
 
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