Hedge Fund Leader Blasts Obama for "Bullying" and "Abuse of Power"

Quote from sandygray66:

, the UAW will end up controlling GM

Wouldn't that be ironic? Then anytime when they want higher salaries, they would be screwing themselves...
 
Quote from sandygray66:

He's absolutely right and it's high time that someone shouts that the emperor has no clothes on!

Obama is being even more brazen in his shake down of the GM bondholders....saying that they should only get 10% of the equity, while the government and the UAW get 90% of the equity.

I forget the actual breakdown, but the bondholders have something like 2x the amount of secured debt on GM compared to the government's loan and obligations to the UAW.

Yet, because of the Obama squeeze, the UAW will end up controlling GM rather than GM's largest collection of creditors - the bondholders.

This constitutes total socialist theft from the rightful asset holders (the bondholders).

And to make matters worse, many of the largest corporate bondholders will be perfectly happy to see GM go into bankruptcy because they hold CDS's backed by AIG (which in turn is also backed by our good ol' government). Meanwhile, any mom and pop individual bondholders who put their retirement savings into GM bonds will be screwed.

That's Obama socialism for you (he's gotta repay those union bosses for their support)!

Sandy, I always thought that you were an ok guy. But now I see that you're just a cunt just like all of the loser right-wingers like Pabst.

The market is above the level where it was on Obama inauguration's day, and you cunts like Pabst are still crying like bitches....losers...

How does it feel that America rejected you losers and you're now a dying breed?
 
Actually....

Some of all of the above is correct....

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The bottom line is that over $30 Trillion has been taken out of a $70 Trillion economy....

What is most notable is that the govt. refuses to adjust...and wants to build onto the 70/70....even though the economy has been reduced to 40/70....

This is not tenable....

The non government economy has to adjust to 40/70....

And the govt. gets to upsize > 70/70 ?
 
Quote from Billybob543:

Sandy, I always thought that you were an ok guy. But....

Hey....Bush is just as much at fault as Obama is now (Bush just didn't want GM's bankruptcy on his clock). GM should have gone BK last fall, and the process should have proceeded as Texrex described above (he beat me to giving an informed response to Risktaker's naive post). The bondholders would have been chief in charge of GM's restructuring (with approval from the BK court), not the UAW, which is the parasite that killed the host (with the acquiessence of GM leadership since the 1970 strike).

P.S. Is the market above the day Obama was elected? Inauguration day means nothing. The market reacts to when news and decisions are announced, not the pomp that occurs after them. The writing was on the wall on Nov. 4.
 
I don't think that the UAW killed GM. It made GM less competitive, but it was the credit crunch that killed them off. Was there any way for GM to foresee a business environment where their sales would decrease 50% in the space of a year?

In the past 50 years Wall Street has taken political control of this country to the point where the manufacturing sector (other than defense contractors) no longer has significant influence. A simple comparison of how the financial sector bailouts have been handled versus the auto industry is all you need to look at to confirm this.
 
Quote from sandygray66:

......P.S. Is the market above the day Obama was elected? Inauguration day means nothing. The market reacts to when news and decisions are announced, not the pomp that occurs after them. The writing was on the wall on Nov. 4.

Election day.....wtf..?!?!? :confused: ROFLMAO

What are you gona say when the market gets above the level on election day...."no I was mistaken, the market needs to be above the level when Obama became Senator in 2005..."
 
Quote from texrex2002:


People lent money to GM in full faith of our contract law environment. Our fuckhead in office is rapidly trampling all consistency in our contract law environment, so it will be much harder to borrow in the future. If your contract can be torn up at any time and all the assets handed over to labor, are you going to be more or less willing to lend?

If any of you don't fully understand this paragraph, read it again.

Whats next on the Marxist's agenda? Squash property rights?
 
Quote from Billybob543:

Sandy, I always thought that you were an ok guy. But now I see that you're just a cunt just like all of the loser right-wingers like Pabst.

The market is above the level where it was on Obama inauguration's day, and you cunts like Pabst are still crying like bitches....losers...

How does it feel that America rejected you losers and you're now a dying breed?


Eloquently stated. The market is above the level when Obama's took office. What a fine well thought out argument, you douche bag.
 
Quote from Billybob543:

Election day.....wtf..?!?!? :confused: ROFLMAO

What are you gona say when the market gets above the level on election day...."no I was mistaken, the market needs to be above the level when Obama became Senator in 2005..."

Ooze on over to the politics forum with the third grade drivel. Sandy posted a coherent argument and you come back with "cunt" There is no reason for it. It's ok to not agree and still be sane.
 
Quote from Billybob543:

Sandy, I always thought that you were an ok guy. But now I see that you're just a cunt just like all of the loser right-wingers like Pabst.

The market is above the level where it was on Obama inauguration's day, and you cunts like Pabst are still crying like bitches....losers...

How does it feel that America rejected you losers and you're now a dying breed?

Wow man, gotta say this post makes you sound like a total lunatic. Incoherent triumphant babbling, you sound like quite the diehard commie. Might want to ease up on someone like Sandy in the future that even though his political views are not the same as your own, makes a very well thought out and valid point.
 
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