Heaven is a fairy tale, says physicist Hawking

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

Not necesarily, but it seems to be what you keep assuming I or anyone else with doubts about any scientific theories is suggesting.

Not necessarily, but......it could?
More of that there spin?

So the point of your argument goes like this: Because scientists... or mathematicians even, can get math wrong, mathematicians /math / mathematical theory could also be wrong, when it finds no signs of or no need for a sky beasty. So a sky beast does/may/could exist.

Right? Or do you mean something else?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

So the point of your argument goes like this: Because scientists... or mathematicians even, can get math wrong, mathematicians /math / mathematical theory could also be wrong, when it finds no signs of or no need for a sky beasty. So a sky beast does/may/could exist.

Right? Or do you mean something else?

Well that's one way to put a cutesie spin on it. I mean since no one really knows for certain one way or the other then yes it's a possibility. No less plausible than the universe from nothingness as I see it. Which scenario is true if either is even true I don't know and despite your arrogant assumption to the contrary neither do you.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Lucrum:

Well that's one way to put a cutesie spin on it. I mean since no one really knows for certain one way or the other then yes it's a possibility. No less plausible than the universe from nothingness as I see it. Which scenario is true if either is even true I don't know and despite your arrogant assumption to the contrary neither do you.

The atheists also have faith. Since science has been explaining phenomena without the use of God, their faith is that science will continue to do so forever. So there will never be a God found, thus there is no God.

 

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[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

Well that's one way to put a cutesie spin on it. I mean since no one really knows for certain one way or the other then yes it's a possibility. No less plausible than the universe from nothingness as I see it. Which scenario is true if either is even true I don't know and despite your arrogant assumption to the contrary neither do you.

I see, so it's when you spin, that's me spinning. When you make false statements asserting things I don't assume, that's me being arrogant.


You think that because something is not known that makes any fanciful thing a possibility?

Because it's only science that can find if scientists are not always correct and don't know everything, because of that, anything else is somehow made possible ? You haven’t really thought this through have you.


Stacks of proven fact and knowledge show how a universe can come from nothing.

As that seems to offend thoughts or whatever about a magical creator, going by what you say, the only point you can come up with is to try and insist that blind belief, complete with its essential total lacking of any fact or even a scrap of real practical information in support, - in short just fantasy in the supernatural - is no less plausible than the science which demonstrates how the universe works through fact and knowledge.

In essence you're saying not every thing is known about gravity, therefore fairy dust is no less plausible.

You make that lame argument why? Just because findings in science happen to signify the universe wouldn't even need a creator.

Dismissive criticism of the the baby 'cause you don't like the what it does to the bath water.
duh come on.

 

[stu]

Quote from Kassz007:

..and a tuner needs what ...a creator or another tuner....
Infinite regress ..... "engaging in serious discussing".. Lol.

I got a feeling we've travelled down this road before.

True enough and and the worn out old "no faith is faith" absurdity was sure to be trotted out too.

and voila.........

Quote from Ricter:

The atheists also have faith. Since science has been explaining phenomena without the use of God, their faith is that science will continue to do so forever. So there will never be a God found, thus there is no God.

Defending your religious viewpoint by blind faith alone wouldn't require you to make such a fatuous statement Ricter.
You must know full well science is all about discovery. It's certainly not the quest for ignorance you're trying to say it is. At least be sensible .

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

I see, so it's when you spin, that's me spinning. When you make false statements asserting things I don't assume, that's me being arrogant.


You think that because something is not known that makes any fanciful thing a possibility?

Because it's only science that can find if scientists are not always correct and don't know everything, because of that, anything else is somehow made possible ? You haven’t really thought this through have you?


Stacks of proven fact and knowledge show how a universe can come from nothing.

As that seems to offend thoughts or whatever about a magical creator, going by what you say, the only point you can come up with is to try and insist that blind belief, complete with its essential total lacking of any fact or even a scrap of real practical information in support, - in short just fantasy in the supernatural - is no less plausible than the science which demonstrates how the universe works through fact and knowledge.

In essence you're saying not every thing is known about gravity, therefore fairy dust is no less plausible.

You make that lame argument why? Just because findings in science happen to signify the universe wouldn't even need a creator.

Dismissive criticism of the the baby 'cause you don't like the what it does to the bath water.
duh come on.

Uh...whatever Stewie

 

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

Uh...whatever Stewie

Well done, that's really intelligent of you.