Heaven is a fairy tale, says physicist Hawking

[Kassz007]

Quote from pescador:

One should emphasize though that everything mentioned in this thread as "religion" refers exclusively to the religions originating from Judaism.
In all kinds of these religions, including Christianity and Islam, the existence of a creator god and of creation is a dogma, an unchangeable, undiscutable tenet.

This is why they are fundamentally incompatible with science in general, and the scientific approach in particular.

Buddhism for example on the other hand is perfectly compatible with science, with the theory of evolution, and has no need at all neither for a dogma of creation, nor for a creator, not even for a god at all.

Buddhism has taught for thousands of years that all phenomena, the whole universe appear spontaneously from emptyness.

Quite similar actually to what Hawkings says.

So not all religions are the same.

Good point. I am not familiar with Buddhism is any way. What are their views on the afterlife?

 

[Kassz007]

Quote from jem:

Hawking wrote the universe appears extraordinarily designed.
Susskind wrote it looks spectacularly designed.

in previous quotes I quoted hawking explaining why scientists state our universe looks designed. I have quoted dozen of other prize winning scientists...


and you band of et atheists give each thumbs up for cross dressers.

Clearly my point was over your head. Let's just drop this subject of appearance being evidence and move along.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from RCG Trader:

I knew you would take that argument as it is the most logical position.

thank you. logic is one of the most valuable human assets.

 

[jem]

Quote from Kassz007:



Clearly my point was over your head. Let's just drop this subject of appearance being evidence and move along.

You must be kidding..



I show you quotes from the best minds and you refer to the appearances of cross dressers...

This subject is clearly over your head.

but I will make it simple...

The odds against a universe like ours emerging out of something like the Big Bang are enormous<|>---<|>I think there are clearly religious implications whenever you start to discuss the origins of the universe. There must be religious overtones. But I think most scientists prefer to shy away from the religious side of it.10

 

[Kassz007]

Quote from RCG Trader:

I knew you would take that argument as it is the most logical position.

My rebuttal is the theory of General Relativity.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/04/einstein-proven-right-again/

How long ago did Einstein posit this theory?

Now before you come with apples and oranges, we are only now beginning to understand the space around us. I fail to comprehend how if we so primitive in this aspect that we could possibly say that there is nothing beyond our senses. I am not a mystic per se, but it would be foolish to say that nothing exists outside of my senses, or the senses of of any others just because we have not found it yet. This is a statement coming from a species who cannot yet get to our next door planet.

Think about that for a moment.

We are sure that what is here is all there is, and we cannot go next door, in an astronomical sense. Really?

Hubris, pure and simple.

Your point is received in that we really don't know. My impression from your previous posts is that you believe in god. So my question to you - is why? If there has never been any evidence of god (and please don't state the bible as being evidence), then why believe?

I would be perfectly fine if you said I don't believe or disbelieve in god, I simply admit I don't know. But many believers I come across tell me nobody knows for sure, but in the next breath tell me they believe in god. That is what I don't get.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

You must be kidding..



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The odds against a universe like ours emerging out of something like the Big Bang are enormous<|>---<|>

like i said earlier. boil down jems evidence and it ends up like this. its looks too complicated to me so it had to be biblegod.

 

[Kassz007]

Quote from jem:

You must be kidding..



I show you quotes from the best minds and you refer to the appearances of cross dressers...

This subject is clearly over your head.

but I will make it simple...

The odds against a universe like ours emerging out of something like the Big Bang are enormous<|>---<|>I think there are clearly religious implications whenever you start to discuss the origins of the universe. There must be religious overtones. But I think most scientists prefer to shy away from the religious side of it.10

Quoting scientists out of context is not proof of anything either. You like to post quotes by Hawking and others that state the universe APPEARS to be designed. Unfortunately you omit the explanation that comes after that sentence, whereby Hawking explains why the universe appears to be designed, but is in fact NOT designed.

You are worse than mainstream media in this regard.

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from Kassz007:

Your point is received in that we really don't know. My impression from your previous posts is that you believe in god. So my question to you - is why? If there has never been any evidence of god (and please don't state the bible as being evidence), then why believe?

I would be perfectly fine if you said I don't believe or disbelieve in god, I simply admit I don't know. But many believers I come across tell me nobody knows for sure, but in the next breath tell me they believe in god. That is what I don't get.

God. A relative term.

I believe, or should I say, detect, that there is something beyond my everyday senses. God, Yahweh,Allah, Buddha, Krishna, Quetzalcoatl, Olodumare, all relative to me. It tells me that that people perceive something beyond them. Interpretation is the the issue. If you have never experienced this then I can only say, keep trying, and that is not the condescending Christian attitude either. I personally have run into some odd shit as a health care practitioner. I stopped letting my mind discount everything that was not reducible to an algo.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from RCG Trader:

God. A relative term.

I believe, or should I say, detect, that there is something beyond my everyday senses. God, Yahweh,Allah, Buddha, Krishna, Quetzalcoatl, Olodumare, all relative to me. It tells me that that people perceive something beyond them. Interpretation is the the issue. If you have never experienced this then I can only say, keep trying, and that is not the condescending Christian attitude either. I personally have run into some odd shit as a health care practitioner. I stopped letting my mind discount everything that was not reducible to an algo.

maybe you can help us understand. what value is there in believing in something beyond that no one else has ever detected with evidence? it is clear from all observable evidence that this "thing" does not interact with us.
is it a security blanket that helps you cope? is it someone to talk to at night in the dark. do you fear this thing may get you if you step out of line?

 

[jem]

Quote from Kassz007:

Quoting scientists out of context is not proof of anything either. You like to post quotes by Hawking and others that state the universe APPEARS to be designed. Unfortunately you omit the explanation that comes after that sentence, whereby Hawking explains why the universe appears to be designed, but is in fact NOT designed.

You are worse than mainstream media in this regard.

do you and free thinker enjoy misquoting and lying?

On this thread, numerous times I explained the counter to the appearance of design in our universe is that Hawking and Susskind speculate there could be almost infinite alternate universes.

Why are athiests so closed minded they are willing to lie about other peoples statements and postions.

For instance free thinking liar up their states I have been talking about the bible god. Now I challenge you to find any point in my thosands of posts that I said the appearance of design means there is a God of the bible.

Atheists spewing lies... its kind of interesting.