Heart of Darkness

also those suffering poverty in the US these days generally have a color tv, cell phone, car and are overweight. maybe that is why people think we are the richest country ever, because our impoverished live the lives of aristocrats in other countries.
 
I-i 1-7 O-o :p

Hello,

From the lyrics of this great song ( that isn't anymore on youtube saddly ) :

Lyrics to Better Days :

Quote from http://www.lyricsmania.com/better_days_lyrics_tom_frager.html:



I don't know what to do
I don't know what to say
And while i strap my shoes
I'm hoppin' for better days

Yes every day i pray
For what we are gonna learn
Tell me do you think
Politicians feel concerned
They just talk about money money
All they wanna know just money money

Refrain:
Love has flown away
And if we fall every single day
It's because we've lost
All regards about what we care
Bring back love
Please don't leave we bare

From the cities
Yes i've got to run away (2 fois)
All i need
Is to feel alive again (2 fois)

Babylon can feel that pain and sorrow
Is only what the war can bring tomorrow
Freedom... (4 fois)

You've got to give me a solution
There's no more green in the cities
Look at the blue of the ocean it's black
There's no more green in the cities
Give a look at what they just left in their back
There's no more green in the cities

Refrain

They put them wrong babylon stylee
And them take the youth the wrong drive
Rastaman would choose another way !
I'm hoppin' for better days(2 fois)

They put them wrong babylon stylee
And them take the youth the wrong drive
Rastaman would choose another way !
I'm hoppin' for better days(2 fois)


Oh when we feel bad with the bad air that we breath
Mister we would really appreciate your interest
Come on bring back love... (4 fois)
Faya will be burning (2 fois)

They put them wrong babylon stylee
And them take the youth the wrong drive
Rastaman would do King HailÈ SelassiÈ
Jah wiil never let you down

Refrain
I don't know what to do
I don't know what to say
And while i strap my shoes
I'm hoppin' for better days

Yes every day i pray
For what we are gonna learn
Tell me do you think
Politicians feel concerned
They just talk about money money
All they wanna know just money money

Refrain:
Love has flown away
And if we fall every single day
It's because we've lost
All regards about what we care
Bring back love
Please don't leave we bare

From the cities
Yes i've got to run away (2 fois)
All i need
Is to feel alive again (2 fois)

Babylon can feel that pain and sorrow
Is only what the war can bring tomorrow
Freedom... (4 fois)

You've got to give me a solution
There's no more green in the cities
Look at the blue of the ocean it's black
There's no more green in the cities
Give a look at what they just left in their back
There's no more green in the cities

Refrain

They put them wrong babylon stylee
And them take the youth the wrong drive
Rastaman would choose another way !
I'm hoppin' for better days(2 fois)

They put them wrong babylon stylee
And them take the youth the wrong drive
Rastaman would choose another way !
I'm hoppin' for better days(2 fois)


Oh when we feel bad with the bad air that we breath
Mister we would really appreciate your interest
Come on bring back love... (4 fois)
Faya will be burning (2 fois)

They put them wrong babylon stylee
And them take the youth the wrong drive
Rastaman would do King HailÈ SelassiÈ
Jah wiil never let you down


this said it all :

It's because we've lost All regards about what we care...

Nice title :D

We can all agree that in prices all is relative :D
 
Quote from nltro:

And I must confess, that it is indeed I that on a regular basis finds myself foraging in the MCD dumpsters for a Big Mac that may have not been prepared to the customers liking and was discarded like a used tampon. You want to know why I am in that situation? Well, it has something to do with averaging into losers. It has been said many times over that doubling down and averaging in has killed more heebs than Adolph H. I am living proof.

:confused: A nitro impersonator?
 
Quote from dumb_mother:

also those suffering poverty in the US these days generally have a color tv, cell phone, car and are overweight. maybe that is why people think we are the richest country ever, because our impoverished live the lives of aristocrats in other countries.

This reminds me of something a man said when I was very young. He said "Lord, we so poor my boy has to sleep in the box the color tv came in". :eek:
 
Quote from nltro:

And I must confess, that it is indeed I that on a regular basis finds myself foraging in the MCD dumpsters for a Big Mac that may have not been prepared to the customers liking and was discarded like a used tampon. You want to know why I am in that situation? Well, it has something to do with averaging into losers. It has been said many times over that doubling down and averaging in has killed more heebs than Adolph H. I am living proof.

wooww, your English is way better than the average college graduate and yet you are homeless???

You must be mentally ill or close to it. Otherwise I can not explain why you are homeless.

doubling down and averaging in???? averaging into losers.???? what does that mean anyway?
 
Quote from nutmeg:

I live in Houston, you work in MCD and say you got paid $7.52/hr with no overtime you will make 7.52*40=$308

4 weeks = 4x308 = $1,242

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Frankly, I can't ever remember working a 40 hour week in my life, you can't get anywhere on 40 hour pay. I can't really think of anyone in my circle of acquanitances who worked 40 hours either.

I run into a few kids or young adults that only can get 28 -30 hours a week, don't cry to me, get a second job. Not being harsh but 6 ten hours days wasn't a biggie or 5 1/2 days with 60 hours worked out well too.

I remember as an employee, bragging rights, once I worked 90 days in a row. Ha I thought that was something. Then when I became self employeed..pfffttttt I went years without a day off. lmao, now that I think about it.

p.s. I guess my last statement reflects the fact I enjoyed my work.

different generation......there was pride in work then. Now it is something to be avoided if possible.
 
I have thought something strangely similar:

Basically, few people make a distinction between the theoretical notion of a free market, and how capitalism (or any economic system?) actually functions.

In the real world elites and coelitions of "others" attempt to extract economic rents from others via the political process.

For example: The supposed solution to "climate change" is a huge racket called "carbon credit trading" which is of course an enormous rent that will be paid to governments and in particular elites by the rest of the population.

The game of being wealthy, as in real wealth, is largely a game of collecting more in rents than you pay, which almost always involves collusion with the government.

The thing is every single one of these rents is sold as "in the public interest".

If you want an eye opening example of how this works, look into what has happened to Patent law in recent years. Now rather than aiding progress, patent law is used to create economic roadblocks and toles so that lawsuits can be filed when an operating business attempts to create a similar product (and many other tactics for this extortion exist as well). The huge lottery ticket risk of a lawsuit forces many companies to settle.

The number one source of these long lasting economic rents is the state. If you want to be truly rich, learn how to make the government work for you, rather than against you. The people creating real value independent of the state are the ones who get the worst deal.
 
Quote from misterno:

I seriously believe that USA has an exploding mentally ill population. I can compare USA with some other countries and there is a huge difference

How can you expect a mentally ill person to perform his job well?

In the USA, homelessness is NOT AN ECONOMICS PROBLEM it is a MENTAL ILLNESS PROBLEM....

IMHO, it is caused by alcoholism, drug addiction, self centerism caused by capitalism, greed, too much individualness, awkward family structures that you will never see in other countries. Kid has 2 fathers, his sister has probably 3 mothers of which she has other haf sisters. Mother has emotional problem because the father cheated on her. Oh by the way, they all attend the church every Sunday, but the father is fucking the secretary every Sunday afternoon. Probably sees his kids once a month.

Look at the ads in the craigslist. Some of the ads are unbelievable. The guy is looking for a roommate for the 3rd room and the second room is occupied by a hooker who happens to attend college and brings her mom once in a while to home but she has no idea what is going on. So the guy is looking for a lesbian roommate.

Another ad says, looking for a roommate free rent in exchange for staying in the house naked all the time.

Another ad says looking for a girlfriend and in the same ad he compares fucking to marrying in a financial way. He is probably an investment banker.

How can you NOT expect a society to produce so many mentally ill people, when money and lust is the center of everything and social/daily life is missing the most important human components.

Kids don't look like kids, wives look like tomcats and husbands look like domesticated dogs. All the roles in a family has been changed. That is why the society is collapsing.

fake money, fake women, fake life

America is decaying fast. So fast that it will not slowly crack and collapse but it will happen overnight.

LOL, so much true shit in there, the world is coming down to this; a big ass cluster fuck.


By studying America both from the inside and the outside, I have compiled 'the three laws of America':

1. Outside of the corporate world, America is shit (this includes the government, the society, the American life style, the American dream, the American mentality and etc)

2. The core advantage of America over other countries, is the pay (in comparison to the cost of living) the average white-collar worker and average skilled worker receives.

3. The pay stated in the second law is directly proportional to Americas innovative and technological progress (which usually has been due to the high amount of investment made into the Military-industry).



What do these laws tell us?

Well, let's see; In the last decade, the speed of technological progress has been very slow, even in America (if you compare it with the decades before that).

Thus the income inequality the average American white-collar worker enjoyed over that of other countries' is diminishing. Over time, this will result in the corporate world turning into shit like the rest of America. That's it. Then you have a country that is nothing but shit.
 
I reread my original post and I left untied ends. My point about OJ and how it ties to rent is that people will pay for something not so much based on value, but on psychology. I know it is obvious, but it amazes me how it plays out on a daily basis!

Listen to Secretary of Treasure T Geithner, and countless others, continually espouse that without the housing market, the economy can't really ever pick up again. I throw my hands up in desperation at the lack of critical thinking of these people! Further, it suggests where the biggest abuses are pretreated on a people.

Who are you selling these homes to? The cost of building a house has skyrocketed to the point where only people with decent wages can afford them. The real unemployment rate is 17%, and newborns in this country has decreased drastically. Coupled with a shit education system that teaches how to be a dullard to go work for a corporation, oh yeah, they'll be lining up to buy houses in record numbers. With states hungry for your money, buying a house is a trap. Your real estate taxes could triple, making your home no longer affordable. If this happens to you in one of the US cyclical downturns, and yep, welcome to foreclosure.

The "American Dream" is not bad in itself. But the real American Dream should be steady employment with decent jobs. Everything else falls into place if you put your dreams in the right order.

Quote from nitro:

Has anyone ever sat back from their economics courses, and actually asked the following question:

"Why, in an age of such prosperity, are there so many people desperately in danger of poverty?" I have a theory. In another post somewhere (I would have to dig it up), I broke down our typical expenses. I realized a while later that, a huge percentage of a person's paycheck in a typical city goes to "rent" or mortgage or whatever. I then started to ask, why is housing weighted so, in comparison to say, food, or waste disposal, or water, or any other basic need? Why is it that someone can go into Coach and spend $5k on two purses that look like shit, but someone just outside through bad luck or even stupidity (God forbid we should make mistakes!) is rummaging at MCDs garbage can to eat?

Ok, I said, let's apply economic principles. Land must be a finite resource. There is only so much of it to go around. So I looked up what percentage of the US is actual living land. Something like 7%!!?? Hmmm, that doesn't seem right? Then I thought, well, ok, so it can't be economics, at least not classically. Then I thought to myself, wait a minute, if I go to NYC hotel, and get an orange juice, it costs $7. If I go to Brooklyn, it costs $1.50!?? Hmmm, what can cause the price of OJ to skyrocket from one place to another, only miles away, like this??? (there should be an arbitrage in there somewhere in efficient markets). Then I thought, land!!! Land is far far more expensive in NYC than in Brooklyn. But land can not explain it completely. Then I thought there must be a principle at work here, and I realized that in every single item we buy, there are middle men from the OJ producer and the final consumer. This must be the reason, there must be way more middle men in NYC than in Brooklyn. But then even this could not explain all of it. What else? I finally threw my hands up and realized that it has to be psychology. Why on earth would someone pay $7 for a glass of OJ? It must be that people charge whatever someone is willing to pay for it, and can be abused or "sold to." Of course this is no new insight, brokers try to screw old ladies out of their pensions, so why wouldn't this human principle apply anywhere else?

My point is, a huge portion of the population has to spend 80% of their life towards rent. Communism probably recognized this and disallows private land ownership. I am thinking that this is not a bad idea, no private land ownership. Did we throw out the baby with the bath water in Communism? Would it alleviate this endless inflationary pressures in our most basic needs?

Most everyone on earth dedicates their life to the "lower" pursuits. Not to art, science, etc. I am not saying we should all be wearing bedsheets discussing the finer points of Kant. But is life, in 2011, in the richest nation on earth, 80% (100% for the poor) survival?

We never left the jungle.
 
I like your thinking and examples very much. I don't know where I stand on carbon credits. Something has to be done in order to rein in the relentless polluting of the world.

Anyway, that is a different kind of rent. Charge corporation all the rent you want within limits so they can continue to profit. But the relentless rise of individuals rent, with no increase in wages, with an aging population, jobs disappearing, is a disaster that will play out in the next ten years in full force.

We will see 10 million people on the streets protesting in the US soon...

Like I suggested, keep everything else the same in the US, EVERYTHING, except there could be no private land and home ownership. What would happen? I would love to run the experiment.

Quote from 1prometheus:

I have thought something strangely similar:

Basically, few people make a distinction between the theoretical notion of a free market, and how capitalism (or any economic system?) actually functions.

In the real world elites and coelitions of "others" attempt to extract economic rents from others via the political process.

For example: The supposed solution to "climate change" is a huge racket called "carbon credit trading" which is of course an enormous rent that will be paid to governments and in particular elites by the rest of the population.

The game of being wealthy, as in real wealth, is largely a game of collecting more in rents than you pay, which almost always involves collusion with the government.

The thing is every single one of these rents is sold as "in the public interest".

If you want an eye opening example of how this works, look into what has happened to Patent law in recent years. Now rather than aiding progress, patent law is used to create economic roadblocks and toles so that lawsuits can be filed when an operating business attempts to create a similar product (and many other tactics for this extortion exist as well). The huge lottery ticket risk of a lawsuit forces many companies to settle.

The number one source of these long lasting economic rents is the state. If you want to be truly rich, learn how to make the government work for you, rather than against you. The people creating real value independent of the state are the ones who get the worst deal.
 
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