Heart of Darkness

I appreciate the points of "Ghost of Cutten", "T_Geithner", and "Mav88".

As far as "misterno", "what does being married have to do with getting laid?"

I agree with "misterno" that other countries have homelessness and poverty as well. It reminds me of Rio de Janero. I saw plenty of street people, especially in the morning before working hours. I am told that most of them have full-time employment in the city, and return to their families on the weekends. I also saw plenty of thieves (people with look-outs who will follow you until you find some place public to wait them out.)

Mental illness is certainly an important factor in poverty. Not just to raving, shouting kind. Simple maladjustment can go a long ways to keeping a person for stable employment. (The threshold depends greatly on the profession.)

I would like to throw in another factor, crime. Although I have met enough people looking for a jail term, to some degree it is a matter of circumstance similar to unplanned pregnancy and business bankruptcy.

As an example, there is homeless fellow who works at the local Burger King. I have seen him there for 10 years, 5 days a week. He does the best that he can to conceal his homeless status, and I only know by having befriended him for years and a few chance encounters in the community at large. He doesn't act or smell like an alcoholic/drug addict. He is quite self-disciplined and self-controlled. I don't really know why he is homeless, but it is not just zero money and zero discipline. I suspect that it may be a legal matter. Keeping a low-profile and off the grid seems like a necessity.
 
Quote from nitro:

Has anyone ever sat back from their economics courses, and actually asked the following question:

"Why, in an age of such prosperity, are there so many people desperately in danger of poverty?"

Because too many people have too many children which they cannot financially support.

A HUGE MAJORITY of those in poverty "should never have been born".
 
So how come there are so many mentally ill people in USA? This is my question.

I don't think it's genetics. I really believe we grow them. We take fine healthy babies and traumatize them throughout their formative years.
 
Quote from nutmeg:

So how come there are so many mentally ill people in USA? This is my question.

I don't think it's genetics. I really believe we grow them. We take fine healthy babies and traumatize them throughout their formative years.

I seriously believe that USA has an exploding mentally ill population. I can compare USA with some other countries and there is a huge difference

How can you expect a mentally ill person to perform his job well?

In the USA, homelessness is NOT AN ECONOMICS PROBLEM it is a MENTAL ILLNESS PROBLEM....

IMHO, it is caused by alcoholism, drug addiction, self centerism caused by capitalism, greed, too much individualness, awkward family structures that you will never see in other countries. Kid has 2 fathers, his sister has probably 3 mothers of which she has other haf sisters. Mother has emotional problem because the father cheated on her. Oh by the way, they all attend the church every Sunday, but the father is fucking the secretary every Sunday afternoon. Probably sees his kids once a month.

Look at the ads in the craigslist. Some of the ads are unbelievable. The guy is looking for a roommate for the 3rd room and the second room is occupied by a hooker who happens to attend college and brings her mom once in a while to home but she has no idea what is going on. So the guy is looking for a lesbian roommate.

Another ad says, looking for a roommate free rent in exchange for staying in the house naked all the time.

Another ad says looking for a girlfriend and in the same ad he compares fucking to marrying in a financial way. He is probably an investment banker.

How can you NOT expect a society to produce so many mentally ill people, when money and lust is the center of everything and social/daily life is missing the most important human components.

Kids don't look like kids, wives look like tomcats and husbands look like domesticated dogs. All the roles in a family has been changed. That is why the society is collapsing.

fake money, fake women, fake life

America is decaying fast. So fast that it will not slowly crack and collapse but it will happen overnight.
 
We don't need to guess or talk abstractions. The number one cause of poverty in the united states is women having children too early and out of wedlock.

Having a kid when you can't afford one is an economically destructive choice.

I would guess alcohol and drugs are some distant second.

Being dumb is a hardship as well, but that is not a choice.
 
To me the mystery is why people mistake (A) improved conditions for the worst-off for (B) equality.

Strawman... I have no idea who said that, certainly not me. I fact I have never anyone claim that

More people towards the bottom ranks means more risks for the well-to-do'ers. No matter how rich you are, you can't isolate yourself from society. A wide wealth distribution is a source of envy and therefore instability and therefore increased risks. So even if you're rich and have purely selfish motives, 'ape society' is a bad deal.

non sequitur, but anyway paying people to not be envious doesn't work either. I believe the only thing that really works is opportunity, that way the envious are only the lazy and destructive.
Sadly we lack enough opportunity now.
 
Quote from Visaria:

The first time I travelled to the USA, I was amazed at seeing people living in caravans (i believe you call them trailers) in rural Florida. There were beggars and homeless people in NYC and in LA. To this day I recall this woman who was collecting 25 cent coins "because she wanted to make a dollar".

I mean, this was supposed to be the richest country in the world!

The United States is not the richest country in the world. It is the most indebted country in the world. The problem is that our politicians spend as if we <i>were</i> the richest country in the world.
 
I think the "homeless" problem began when Federal Judge would not allow anyone to be kept against their will in mental situation.

I sold some real estate for a family, the brother was "homeless" as I had to hire detective to find him for signature on closing documents. Met him at postal station with notary. Brought him check for $50,000. He wanted to go cash it, LOL... Felt sorry for the guy....

I also live in Houston in the upscale Galleria area. I only see two cultures on streets: black and low class white...never hispanic or asian...

It is a sad situation that the country needs to deal with.....we give 1.5 Billion to Egypt!!! I would rather spend that money addressing some of our own problems

IMHO

SteveD
 
Quote from nitro:

Has anyone ever sat back from their economics courses, and actually asked the following question:

"Why, in an age of such prosperity, are there so many people desperately in danger of poverty?" I have a theory. In another post somewhere (I would have to dig it up), I broke down our typical expenses. I realized a while later that, a huge percentage of a person's paycheck in a typical city goes to "rent" or mortgage or whatever. I then started to ask, why is housing weighted so, in comparison to say, food, or waste disposal, or water, or any other basic need? Why is it that someone can go into Coach and spend $5k on two purses that look like shit, but someone just outside through bad luck or even stupidity (God forbid we should make mistakes!) is rummaging at MCDs garbage can to eat?

Ok, I said, let's apply economic principles. Land must be a finite resource. There is only so much of it to go around. So I looked up what percentage of the US is actual living land. Something like 7%!!?? Hmmm, that doesn't seem right? Then I thought, well, ok, so it can't be economics, at least not classically. Then I thought to myself, wait a minute, if I go to NYC hotel, and get an orange juice, it costs $7. If I go to Brooklyn, it costs $1.50!?? Hmmm, what can cause the price of OJ to skyrocket from one place to another, only miles away, like this??? (there should be an arbitrage in there somewhere in efficient markets). Then I thought, land!!! Land is far far more expensive in NYC than in Brooklyn. But land can not explain it completely. Then I thought there must be a principle at work here, and I realized that in every single item we buy, there are middle men from the OJ producer and the final consumer. This must be the reason, there must be way more middle men in NYC than in Brooklyn. But then even this could not explain all of it. What else? I finally threw my hands up and realized that it has to be psychology. Why on earth would someone pay $7 for a glass of OJ? It must be that people charge whatever someone is willing to pay for it, and can be abused or "sold to." Of course this is no new insight, brokers try to screw old ladies out of their pensions, so why wouldn't this human principle apply anywhere else?

My point is, a huge portion of the population has to spend 80% of their life towards rent. Communism probably recognized this and disallows private land ownership. I am thinking that this is not a bad idea, no private land ownership. Did we throw out the baby with the bath water in Communism? Would it alleviate this endless inflationary pressures in our most basic needs?

Most everyone on earth dedicates their life to the "lower" pursuits. Not to art, science, etc. I am not saying we should all be wearing bedsheets discussing the finer points of Kant. But is life, in 2011, in the richest nation on earth, 80% (100% for the poor) survival?

We never left the jungle.

And I must confess, that it is indeed I that on a regular basis finds myself foraging in the MCD dumpsters for a Big Mac that may have not been prepared to the customers liking and was discarded like a used tampon. You want to know why I am in that situation? Well, it has something to do with averaging into losers. It has been said many times over that doubling down and averaging in has killed more heebs than Adolph H. I am living proof.
 
Quote from Mav88:

non sequitur, but anyway paying people to not be envious doesn't work either. I believe the only thing that really works is opportunity, that way the envious are only the lazy and destructive.
Sadly we lack enough opportunity now.
I wasn't talking about giving away money. We basically agree, because if you do it right, battling poverty and presenting opportunities are the same thing.

One the answers to the OP's question therefore is the difference in education for the poor and the rich. It's making the wealth&health distribution even more skewed.
 
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