Healthcare bill will be repealed in the next Republican administration?

[Angrycat]

Quote from hayman:

The 2-party system will be coming to a screeching halt before 2012, mark my words. These Dems and Reps are all but done, and both have lost favor with the American People. The Republicans are much worse off than the Dems though - at least the Dems have "liberals" and "moderate Dems". The Republicans are have no moderates, and are all so-called "right-wing extremists", that are so far to the right, that they can't see in front of their own faces.

We need to bring back Reagan, who was the last decent President we had. They have all been massive failures since he left office in 1988.

with the caveat that Reagan wasn't perfect, I completely agree with your last statement.

But, if you think the two party system will come to an end, you have not been paying attention.

Those bastards have written in so many laws to prevent a challenge to two party system, it'll blow your mind.

I disagree with your take on the Dems and Repubs. This last little trick by the Dems shines the light on the fact that there ALL the Dems are tyrannical left-wing despots. There's not one that could be considered "moderate" in any meaningful way. And I figure after the next election, a great many of them won't be considered employed in any meaningful way either.


The problem with the Republicans is too many RINOs - all talk about small government and power to the people as they impose deficits (which are just deferred taxes) on the people to hand out candy to their favoured interest groups.

 

[djmartin]

Quote from Angrycat:

btw, the republicans can vote to defund a bunch of the bill and they can repeal pieces of it, if not the whole thing.

At this point, it might be just a game of damage control.

At the very least, we should boot out the Democrats. Not so much because they passed a bad healthcare bill but because they passed a bill to which the overwhelming majority was strongly opposed.

We should sow the what happens when they flout the will of the people they are supposed to represent. They serve US at OUR pleasure, not the other way around.

How do you know that most don't approve of this bill? The media is controlling peoples thoughts. Everybody wants to blame Dems and then Reps, at the end of the day corporation control the world. If you control the money then you control the people. We need to wake up and point the figure where in needs to be pointed. Congress is just puppets. Do you know who owns the federal reserve? I don't either, thats where the problem starts.

I bet you don't understand the health care bill, thats what it's suppose to do confuse. Do you think in 2012 that things will chance? We had 8 years of bush and nothing chanced. We can have any party in office and things won't chance because we're fighting the wrong people. The media confuses us with all kinds of distraction so we really won't know what's going on. Think about it??

 

[Angrycat]

Quote from 377OHMS:

Repeal? Nope.

I don't think this is reversible.

Once the have-nothings realized they can vote themselves money taken from the have-somethings our Democracy essentially stopped serving all of its citizens.

Some of you are counting on the November elections to make some difference. I say it is too late. Now the Obama adminstration will stack the deck with immigrants and rob whatever remaining disposable income the middle-class has.

In the couple of days since the vote I have, of course, come to realize that I can personally do nothing meaningful to resist, I am powerless effectively. I'm guessing this is what tyranny feels like.

America has been conquered by the communists it home-grew in the universities. They've handed the country off to the welfare/immigrant electorate for perpetuity. The cultural war has been lost. The left won. It was an inside job.

And that is that.

Well, you can go and vote. That doesn't seem like such a burdensome thing, does it?

This thing is irreversible as a whole. But, it can still be gutted.

Or you can leave the country and immigrate somewhere else and kick off the brain drain. If you go that route and this thing takes on a life of its own, restrained, you will have a lot of company abroad.

 

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While the biggest goodie in the bill starts in 2014,many start in 6 months

pre existing conditions bans for kids

Drug benefit for seniors

Tax credits for business

Health exchanges for those with pre existing conditions

Can keep kids on your health insurance until 26


Once people get used to those things,they wont give it up

Can anybody imagine the GOP running on bringing back pre existing condition bans,taking prescription drugs from seniors,kids off your insurance at 18 etc

 

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A post from hermit in the P&R section

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm



Opinions turn favorable on health care plan


Americans by 9 percentage points have a favorable view of the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against it.

By 49%-40% those surveyed say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms, as "enthusiastic" or "pleased," while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

The largest single group, 48%, calls the bill "a good first step" that should be followed by more action on health care. An additional 4% also have a favorable view, saying the bill makes the most important changes needed in the nation's health care system.

 

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Slim-Margin-Americans-Support-Healthcare-Bill-Passage.aspx

Passage of healthcare reform was a clear political victory for President Obama and his allies in Congress. While it also pleases most of his Democratic base nationwide, it is met with greater ambivalence among independents and with considerable antipathy among Republicans. Whether these groups' views on the issue harden or soften in the coming months could be crucial to how healthcare reform factors into this year's midterm elections. Given that initial public reaction to Sunday's vote is more positive than recent public opinion about passing a healthcare reform bill, it appears some softening has already occurred.

 

[Angrycat]

Quote from djmartin:

How do you know that most don't approve of this bill? The media is controlling peoples thoughts. Everybody wants to blame Dems and then Reps, at the end of the day corporation control the world. If you control the money then you control the people. We need to wake up and point the figure where in needs to be pointed. Congress is just puppets. Do you know who owns the federal reserve? I don't either, thats where the problem starts.

I bet you don't understand the health care bill, thats what it's suppose to do confuse. Do you think in 2012 that things will chance? We had 8 years of bush and nothing chanced. We can have any party in office and things won't chance because we're fighting the wrong people. The media confuses us with all kinds of distraction so we really won't know what's going on. Think about it??

How do I know? The polls on Obamacare. Sinking approval for congress since they started this. Sinking presidential polls since he started selling this putrid mess. The fact that polls sank even further the day after it passed. The protests. The Town Halls. Have YOU ever seen anything like this in America? I've been here 35 years and I haven't.

I actually do understand the bill. I took the time to do that - which is more than we can say about any of the Congress critters.

How old are you? You talk like Bush is the only other president in history. When Reagan became president, things changed for the better.

BTW. Nobody owns the Federal reserve. It owns us. That's a problem.

 

[rc8222]

Quote from Scataphagos:

It would have to be in 2012 to have a chance.... before the implementing provisions begin in 2014. There would need to be a Repub president, of course, but the Repubs would have to win a TON of Senate seats by 2012.. Likely 60 total seats, maybe a few less if a some Dems would join in.

Actually, if a GOP candidate wins the White House in 2012, and they have the House majority, and just a slight Senate majority of 52/53 seats, they can still repeal, or kill much of Obamacare. The way this can be done is by simply changing the filibuster rule. The Democrats are discussing that very thing right now. In order to change it, you would typically need 67 Senators to vote for enacting such a change, but there is another procedure in which the Vice President has the authority under the constitution to ratify it himself, without having the Senate vote on it. Just last week, Harry Reid was discussing this process and planned on doing it in 2011. I know it's kinda funny the Democrats would make any reference to the Constitution, as that's obviously something foreign to them.
In any event, if the Democrats don't change the filibuster rule, the GOP certainly can, but it would take them winning the White House, and having the House & Senate majorities, but again, their Senate majority would not have to be 60 seats, just a simple majority would work, then change the filibuster rule. In this November's election, I think the Republicans will win the House, and take approx. 7 Senate seats, which will get them to 48. In 2012, the GOP will take the Senate majority back, and retain the House majority. Why am I so confident the GOP will take the Senate in 2012? Because the Democrats have to defend a whopping 23 seats, while the GOP only has to defend 10 seats. Plus, the GOP seats are in pretty safe states for them. In addition, these Democrats will not be able to ride Obama's coattails like they did in 2008, due to the voters seeing what a true socialist he is, and his playing the country by promising to be transparent, and governing from the center. The majority of Independent voters are going to vote GOP, which is a huge blow to Democrats, as the Independent vote is what gave them the White House & Congress. The people won't make that mistake again!!! The big question is whether the Republicans can take the White House in 2012? If they can, then they can dismantle Obamacare piece by piece. If not, then were screwed with socialized medicine forever.

 

[Angrycat]

Quote from ..........:

While the biggest goodie in the bill starts in 2014,many start in 6 months

pre existing conditions bans for kids

Drug benefit for seniors

Tax credits for business

Health exchanges for those with pre existing conditions

Can keep kids on your health insurance until 26


Once people get used to those things,they wont give it up

Can anybody imagine the GOP running on bringing back pre existing condition bans,taking prescription drugs from seniors,kids off your insurance at 18 etc

The only problem is that none of those things have any meaning.

They are relying on the top 2% of earners to foot the bill for all of this. That won't happen. Those people face a tax increase of almost 10 percentage points and in most states, that pushes them well over a 50% tax rate.

When the check you write to government is bigger than the check you write yourself, then you start to figure "why work so hard"? I mean if I can work a lot less, spend more time playing with my kids, make less money and qualify for all kinds of free goodies - subsidized health insurance, guaranteed health care, lower tax rates. It's awesome.

Of course, when everyone's receiving the subsidy, who is paying it? Ah, well that's when we either have to, cut the services (you're promised free health care goodies, but you'll be waiting 2 years to see a doctor about that weird maybe cancer lump you found), or impose a tax on all of those below the $250K mark by either inflating the currency with the printing press or by explicitly raising your taxes. Then, you'll all be working like dogs to maintain a standard of living the average redneck can attain today by working on people's trucks 20 hours per week.

All that free stuff is a myth. as Frederic Bastiat said "The state is the great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else."

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from Angrycat:

Well, you can go and vote. That doesn't seem like such a burdensome thing, does it?

This thing is irreversible as a whole. But, it can still be gutted.

Or you can leave the country and immigrate somewhere else and kick off the brain drain. If you go that route and this thing takes on a life of its own, restrained, you will have a lot of company abroad.

I didn't really mention any actions on my part.

My plan is to stay put and try to game the system to the maximum possible extent. I'll work with my accountant a bit more. I'll vote in every election that I am eligible to vote in.

One thing I'm almost sure I will do is to shift more of my after-tax savings into physical assets. I may also emphasize swing trading as my best years usually involved some holding and I'm thinking we may see some trending in certain sectors.

I'm also going to be far more discriminating about where my money goes. If I can determine that a business is liberal owned then I will take my patronage elsewhere. My liberal friends are going to begin to notice my scarcity. My liberal family members may also wonder why I'm not around. In short, I'm taking this to a personal level and will no longer tolerate any liberal ideas or liberal persons in my immediate environment. The only thing I can control at this point is my own little corner of the world.