well, you strayed from your declared principles...
rather than relying on a central authority to oversee things, hitting people directly in the pocketbook has perhaps been the greatest influence in all human history
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Health Care Reform...Sound off here, An ET Roundtable.
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well, you strayed from your declared principles...
rather than relying on a central authority to oversee things, hitting people directly in the pocketbook has perhaps been the greatest influence in all human history
Quote from omegapoint:
Just an example of the need for accountability to stop somewhere. I took a stress test, treadmill for 10 minutes with EKG attached that was 1500 dollars and nothing revealed. Now they tell me I need another this one costs over 4000 dollars and noone would have volunteered the cost had I not asked. Cost of procedures is the microbe in the room.
That's the symptom not the cause, don't confuse the two.
Quote from FeenixRizin:
well, you strayed from your declared principles...
rather than relying on a central authority to oversee things, hitting people directly in the pocketbook has perhaps been the greatest influence in all human history
How do you figure? The policing of the fraud is something everybody agrees with a need for. As a consumer I can't do anything about scammers setting up a front to charge insurance for claims w/o procedures. Two different things.
Quote from omegapoint:
How do you figure? The policing of the fraud is something everybody agrees with a need for. As a consumer I can't do anything about scammers setting up a front to charge insurance for claims w/o procedures. Two different things.
oh shut the fuck up...
you're as stupid as I first suspected
From Investors.com:
20 ways Obamacare will take away our freedoms.
The sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill as displayed by the Rules Committee.
1. You are young and donât want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the âprivilege.â (Section 1501)
2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. Youâll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. Thatâs because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a personâs health status. (Section 2701).
3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).
4. Think youâd like a policy that is cheaper because it doesnât cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if thatâs what the customer wants. (Section 2712).
5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesnât allow your employersâ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).
6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.
Youâre a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. Youâre a woman who canât have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. Youâre a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).
7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a âBronze plan,â which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))
8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and youâd like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).
Link for the rest:
http://blogs.investors.com/capitalh...20-ways-obamacare-will-take-away-our-freedoms
20 ways Obamacare will take away our freedoms.
The sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill as displayed by the Rules Committee.
1. You are young and donât want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the âprivilege.â (Section 1501)
2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. Youâll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. Thatâs because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a personâs health status. (Section 2701).
3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).
4. Think youâd like a policy that is cheaper because it doesnât cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if thatâs what the customer wants. (Section 2712).
5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesnât allow your employersâ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).
6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.
Youâre a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. Youâre a woman who canât have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. Youâre a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).
7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a âBronze plan,â which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))
8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and youâd like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).
Link for the rest:
http://blogs.investors.com/capitalh...20-ways-obamacare-will-take-away-our-freedoms