Health Care Passed

Quote from T_Geithner:

isn't it unconstitutional to force a person to purchase something? is anyone going to sue this for forcing a health insurance purchase upon them?
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My $.02,

From Article I section 9- Limits on Congress:
"No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."

Attainder
attainder n. The loss of all civil rights by a person sentenced for a serious crime. [< OFr. attaindre, to convict] Source: AHD

In the context of the Constitution, a Bill of Attainder is meant to mean a bill that has a negative effect on a single person or group (for example, a fine or term of imprisonment). Originally, a Bill of Attainder sentenced an individual to death, though this detail is no longer required to have an enactment be ruled a Bill of Attainder.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Since the mandate is in, anyone that doesn't purchase insurance by 2016 can be fined at 2.5 % of income, and in the original bill you could serve time, I assume that is still the case. That seems to me to be a bill of attainder. Anyone who values their freedom should have an issue with this, if it this easy for the gov to force you to do something then what else is possible?

Here are other arguements, which include the commerce clause and 10th Amendment, with some examples of previous Supreme Court rulings. Also, I heard yesterday that 38 states are going to sue the fed govt over this mandate, don't know how true that is.

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/12/22/conservative-leaders-against-t
 
I read that the provisions of this bill would enable the deficit to be brought down to $130 billion in the first 10 years.

Could some one please explain this?
 
Quote from 4EXJOE:

Solution:

1. Buy all healthcare stocks as they are now public utilities.

2. Do not buy health insurance. Wait until you are sick or hurt then go to the emergency room.

3. Pay the fine for not having health insurance, which is cheaper than paying actual premiums

4. buy health insurance once/if you become ill. you can not be rejected for pre-existing conditions.

5. Rinse repeat enjoy.

yay obamacare!
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Joe you forgot one.

6. Sit back and let all the young people who would not normally carry health insurance subsidize all of us old farts who actually utilize healthcare.

I'm going to the emergency room if I get a hangnail or have gas so it could get expensive. You never can tell if its just gas or a real heart attack. Don't take any chances. :D
 
Quote from nutmeg:

From what I've read, this is the first instance that a requirement to be a US citizen requires you to purchase something --
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I was unaware of the "Purchase B1-Bomber" opt-in check box on my tax forms.
 
The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) will see its largest expansion since withholding taxes were first enacted during WWII to enforce the glut of new tax mandates and penalties included in the Democrats’ latest health care plan, according to Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX)

A new analysis by the Joint Economic Committee and the House Ways & Means Committee minority staff estimates up to 16,500 new IRS personnel will be needed to collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses in the ‘reconciliation’ bill being taken up by the U.S. House of Representatives this weekend, according to Brady.

“When most people think of health care reform they think of more doctors exams, not more IRS exams,” says U.S. Congressman Kevin Brady, the top House Republican on the Joint Economic Committee. “Isn’t the federal government already intruding enough into our lives? We need thousands of new doctors and nurses in America, not thousands more IRS agents.”

ENJOY the VICTORY! :eek:
 
Comedy goldmine

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Quote from Covertibility:

Comedy goldmine

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Wait until you get to see the comedy videos of IRS agents working over the Amercian citizenry for health care premiums!!!

I bet you will love that one! :eek:

http://www.infowars.com/health-care-mandate-to-be-enforced-by-irs-bounty-hunters/
 
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