Hawking: God did not create Universe

[jem]

There are multiple quotes on this thread of top scientists saying IS finely tuned.
the video of Penrose shows him saying it.
the article I quoted just 5 to 8 posts above says IS...

that the standard model has constants tuned to over 32 decimal places is fine tuning.

how can you keep lying your ass off in the face of such clear science... is nuts.


Regarding the Tuner... no one is hiding anything...


here is Susskind of video... once again...
starting at about 6 minutes... you see what lying troll you are.

as I told you years ago...
I am saying what he is telling you.
that is the state of science right now.

Perfect example of how you troll that dishonesty of yours. They say it appears fine tuned. To say constants ARE fine tuned would require at least some scientific evidence.
There is none. None at all.

That's the whole thing. How, or even if, a particular value is or what it seems to be, is not scientifically established or accounted for yet.

Guessing the Universe is tuned , is the massive guess before anything else. That is what's sheer speculation.
It is perfectly possible the Universe could not produce any other values than it does; that constants are incapable of being any other way than they are.

That is Inevitability.
An option which removes any guess for what you are calling a Tuner, or whatever.

Of course the situation cries out for an answer. A scientific answer. A supernatural answer in the form of a Tuner is in any event, no answer at all and can never prove anything.

What is your Tuner if it isn't god? You can't even be honest about that! If it isn't something religious, then wtf are you going on about?
You're feigning science only in a disreputable effort to insert and imply an unscientific religious theistic belief.

That's all this is and has ever been about.

Your unintellectual unscientific religious answer, from being the liar you are, can't admit to hiding behind the complete load of unscientific bollocks you constantly troll spun out of non-scientific assertions.

"that is the state of our current science."
Truth is you don't even want to know the current state of science as it smacks you in the face.

 

[stu]

There are multiple quotes on this thread of top scientists saying IS finely tuned.
the video of Penrose shows him saying it.
the article I quoted just 5 to 8 posts above says IS...

that the standard model has constants tuned to over 32 decimal places is fine tuning.

how can you keep lying your ass off in the face of such clear science... is nuts.


Regarding the Tuner... no one is hiding anything...


here is Susskind of video... once again...
starting at about 6 minutes... you see what lying troll you are.

as I told you years ago...
I am saying what he is telling you.
that is the state of science right now.

Not Penrose Susskind or any other scientist anywhere has any science or scientific evidence which states or confirms any constants or any part or whole of the universe itself is actually subject to any fine tuning. Nor do they claim to.

You say that is fine tuning.

Thousands of top scientists show an overwhelming unequivocal consensus of scientific evidence that states the earth is warming with a more than 95% probability based on hard scientific fact that it is human induced.
Your "top scientist" James Hansen, you know, those you like to quote mine, states - 'Earth warms, now because of extra CO2 we put in the atmosphere' - 'more CO2 causes more warming'.

You say that isn't human induced global warming.


The current state of science? You've more than proved you haven't a clue what the state of any science is.

The day you can ever come to terms with the bullshite you come out with, might mean you cease trolling your crappy nonsense like you have for years.

But fundamental dishonesty is something apparently you'll be unable to overcome.

 

[jem]

Well -- you must be pretty ignorant to lie that poorly.

1. Massive science confirmed the extreme fine tuning of standard model.
How many billions were spent at CERN? How many scientists?
CERN confirmed the extreme fine tuning of the standard model when CERN found the higgs boson.

vs...

2. With respect to man made co2 causing warming.
Can you even link to say 5 peer reviewed papers in the last 5 years that provide science showing man made co2 causes warming?

I have linked to many which show the sun the tides and the clouds cause at least some of the warming and cooling.

3. Hansen was kicked out / left NASA after the real NASA scientists wrote a public letter about his crap saying his crap embarrassed the good name of NASA... see link below...

http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4

within a few months NASA put out their results from an experiment which showed CO2 also prevents some of the Suns heat from getting to the earth by bouncing it back into space.

(so while I do not deny co2 does some warming... it also does some cooling... which leaves the unanswered by science question does man made co2 warm or cool.. or perhaps it does not have any signficant impact at all. )

 

[stu]

What, so you're just making up any stupid shit whatsoever now.

CERN does not show anything to confirm "extreme fine tuning of standard model."
The standard model is incomplete. How the fck is it extremely fine tuned a when it's incomplete.
You can't point to one peer reviewed paper anywhere at anytime that confirms the universe itself or constants or any value of it IS fine tuned, extremely or otherwise.CERN or no CERN.



The Internet is full of peer reviewed scientific papers that confirm AGW and global warming.
12,000 plus and counting from American Association for the Advancement of Science to American Institute of Physics to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to Royal Society of the UK to NASA and on and on.
All overwhelmingly establishing the science that confirms AGW and global warming.

Do you do holocaust denial too you idiot?

Being so dishonest and a moron at the same time no doubt you consider to be some form of self improvement.

 

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[jem]

I just saw this.

you again lie your ass off... its weird that you do this.

1, show the papers... you hightlight the url of the page with the papers and you post it here.
it takes no time.

you will not because the papers don't exist that show man made co2 is causing warming.
there were are few using models... but those models have failed.

2. You should be embarrassed you lie your ass off about physics. We knows is not a grand unified theory... that does not mean that finding the Higgs did not confirm the extreme fine tuning of the standard model.


Below is an article in which the physicists almost found an alternative to the fine tuning of the standard model which was confirmed that when CERN found the Higgs it confirmed the fine tuning of the model.

only a disgusting troll continues to deny the extreme fine tuning of the standard model.

by the way... to those who like this stuff this article is a great read. And its not too long.

http://www.wired.com/2015/01/higgs-discovery-hijack-attempt/
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What, so you're just making up any stupid shit whatsoever now.

CERN does not show anything to confirm "extreme fine tuning of standard model."
The standard model is incomplete. How the fck is it extremely fine tuned a when it's incomplete.
You can't point to one peer reviewed paper anywhere at anytime that confirms the universe itself or constants or any value of it IS fine tuned, extremely or otherwise.CERN or no CERN.



The Internet is full of peer reviewed scientific papers that confirm AGW and global warming.
12,000 plus and counting from American Association for the Advancement of Science to American Institute of Physics to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to Royal Society of the UK to NASA and on and on.
All overwhelmingly establishing the science that confirms AGW and global warming.

Do you do holocaust denial too you idiot?

Being so dishonest and a moron at the same time no doubt you consider to be some form of self improvement.

 

[stu]

 

[Ricter]

"...you will not because the papers don't exist that show man made co2 is causing warming.
there were are [a] few using models... but those models have failed."

 

[jem]

exactly... we are looking for science... not opinion or failed models.

"...you will not because the papers don't exist that show man made co2 is causing warming.
there were are [a] few using models... but those models have failed."

 

[stu]

"...you will not because the papers don't exist that show man made co2 is causing warming.
there were are [a] few using models... but those models have failed."

"... the papers don't exist that show evolution, vaccination, gravity or moon landings either.
there were are [a] few using models... but those models have failed."