Hawking: God did not create Universe

jem said:
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you would also know that the the constants of the standard are so finely tuned (at least 2O decimal places) they were able to find the higgs boson at the LHC...
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Utter bullshit. Because you read that kind of crap on webgod dot com, doesn't mean it's correct or that it makes any sense. Just highlights your ignorance.
They were able to find Higgs because values are what they are, not because they appear tuned or not. Idiot.

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" As Stephen Hawking has noted, "The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron. ... The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."[9]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe
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So you misinterpret Hawking's words "the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted ... into "are so finely tuned"
Like I say and as you keep confirming, you're fundamentally dishonest... and a liar.

jem said:
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While you're quoting Hawking it's funny how you never quote this...
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going." Stephen Hawking

Not much room for your deceit in there.
 
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its funny you duplicitous little troll that you leave out the context of hawkings quote about gravity.. his idea about gravity is stated withing the context of M -Theory and the multiverse.

the context stu... you total troll liar matters.


"Our universe and its laws appear to have a design that both is tailor-made to support us and, if we are to exist, leaves little room for alternation," they state. "That is not easily explained, and raises the natural question of why it is that way." The answer, the authors say, lies with M-theory. (The M apparently stands for "master, miracle, or mystery". The authors are unsure which.) The vital point is that M-theory allows for the existence of 11 dimensions of spacetime that contains not just vibrating strings of matter but also "point particles, two-dimensional membranes, three-dimensional blobs and other objects that are more difficult to picture." Simple, really.

Crucially the laws of M-theory allow for an unimaginably large number of different universes. Thus we exist because the laws of our particular universe just happen to be tuned to the exact parameters that permit the existence of hydrogen, oxygen, carbon and other key atoms and which also generate laws that allow these entities to interact in ways that build up complex chemical combinations. Other universes are not so lucky.


http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/sep/12/the-grand-design-stephen-hawking


(by the way this was all predicated on M theory... which is not looking so viable after CERN found the higgs boson. )




stu said:
Utter bullshit. Because you read that kind of crap on webgod dot com, doesn't mean it's correct or that it makes any sense. Just highlights your ignorance.
They were able to find Higgs because values are what they are, not because they appear tuned or not. Idiot.




So you misinterpret Hawking's words "the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted ... into "are so finely tuned"
Like I say and as you keep confirming, you're fundamentally dishonest... and a liar.



While you're quoting Hawking it's funny how you never quote this...
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going." Stephen Hawking

Not much room for your deceit in there.
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regarding the fine tuning of our standard model..
you were right... it was not 20 decimal places... it was 32...

you lying troll moron... how can you lie about science...
you need to lie for crazy 50s world view.



http://www.economist.com/node/21558248

The constant gardener

One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.

Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world.
 
still nothing in science to say the universe is fine tuned.

Just you, the deceitful dishonest zealot, insisting it does.
 
would that babbling of tweedle dee and tweedle dum mean that they accept they have been reckless and ignorantly misrepresenting science for years here on et.

lets review...


"But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world."

http://www.economist.com/node/21558248

so that would mean highly esteemed Economist magazine, while covering the finding of the Higgs Boson at Cern...

stated that the scientists in the field named (the argot) the precise fiddling of the constants of the standard model of physics --- fine tunings?


note... absent a link to real scientists stating that the precision of the standard model is not labeled fine tuning by scientists...

I may choose to not respond.
Stu had been lying his ass off about this for 7 years.
I doubt he is ready to tell the truth now.
 
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