Hawking: God did not create Universe

no... this has nothing to do with someone believing in God.
this is just a few crazy atheists denying science and I enjoy finding all the science that shows they are wrong because I love the science.


I don't care if they don't believe in God.
If God wanted them to believe, he could choose to make them believe.



If everyone agreed there is a god, would it matter? He or She clearly does sweetfuckall for us.
 
stu.. the truth is below.

I have been saying it for years and you keep lying about it.




lets try this again...

if don't understand how big this number in the denominator is .. I understand.
but if you don't understand how finely tuned that makes the initial conditions of the universe... you should not even speak on this issue.

As penrose says... _________________________
please watch the short video and fill in his exact words. (hint its towards the end).


Roger Penrose on Cosmic Fine-Tuning: "Incredible Precision in the Organization of the Initial Universe"
Casey Luskin April 12, 2010 8:00 AM | Permalink
I have no reason to believe that the acclaimed physicist Roger Penrose supports intelligent design. But he's definitely not afraid to take on critics of the argument for fine-tuning. In the video below, he explains that the fine-tuning of the initial entropy of the universe is this precise:

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http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/04/roger_penrose_on_cosmic_finetu033691.html




and here are the quotes from the 3 people below.
that is fine tuning...



https://godandsoul.wordpress.com/tag/leonard-mlodinow/

Barrow and Tipler aren’t using “fine-tuning” to promote theism. They are simply describing some of the fine-tuned conditions in the cosmos that make life possible. Similarly, cosmologist Martin Rees, Britain’s Astronomer Royal (and definitely not a theist), also uses “fine-tuning” in a purely objective, scientific fashion:

These six numbers constitute a “recipe” for a universe. Moreover, the outcome is sensitive to their values: if any one of them were to be “untuned,” there would be no stars and no life. Is this tuning just a brute fact, a coincidence? Or is it the providence of a benign Creator? I take the view that it is neither. An infinity of other universes may well exist where the numbers are different. Most would be stillborn or sterile. We could only have emerged (and therefore we naturally now find ourselves) in a universe with the “right” combination. This realization offers a radically new perspective on our universe, on our place in it, and on the nature of physical laws. . . . If you imagine setting up a universe by adjusting six dials, then the tuning must be precise in order to yield a universe that could harbour life.

—Martin Rees, Just Six Numbers: The Deep Forces That Shape the Universe (New York: Basic Books, 2001), 4 and 22.


and....


In The Grand Design, physicists Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow also write about the fine-tuning of the cosmological constant in Einstein’s general relativity equations, calling it “the most impressive fine-tuning coincidence” in cosmology. They go on to describe other fine-tuning problems in cosmology:

Most of the fundamental constants in our theories appear fine-tuned in the sense that if they were altered by only modest amounts, the universe would be qualitatively different, and in many cases unsuitable for the development of life. . . . The emergence of the complex structures capable of supporting intelligent observers seems to be very fragile. The laws of nature form a system that is extremely fine-tuned, and very little in physical law can be altered without destroying the possibility of the development of life as we know it. Were it not for a series of startling coincidences in the precise details of physical law, it seems, humans and similar life-forms would never have come into being.

—Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow, The Grand Design (New York: Bantam, 2012), 160-161.
 
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http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/creatorfacts/

1) Professor Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in high energy physics (a field of science that deals with the very early universe), writing in the journal “Scientific American”, reflects on

how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.

Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg’s wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:

One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning—The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.


This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:

100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,

but instead:

100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,

there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:

the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form.

2) Michael Turner, the widely quoted astrophysicist at the University of Chicago and Fermilab, describes the fine-tuning of the universe with a simile:

The precision is as if one could throw a dart across the entire universe and hit a bulls eye one millimeter in diameter on the other side.

3) Roger Penrose, the Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford, discovers that the likelihood of the universe having usable energy (low entropy) at the creation is even more astounding,

namely, an accuracy of one part out of ten to the power of ten to the power of 123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full, in our ordinary denary (power of ten) notation: it would be one followed by ten to the power of 123 successive zeros! (That is a million billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion zeros.)

Penrose continues,

Even if we were to write a zero on each separate proton and on eachseparate neutron in the entire universe—and we could throw in all the other particles as well for good measure—we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed. The precision needed to set the universe on its course is to be in no way inferior to all that extraordinary precision that we have already become accustomed to in the superb dynamical equations (Newton’s, Maxwell’s, Einstein’s) which govern the behavior of things from moment to moment.

Cosmologists debate whether the space-time continuum is finite or infinite, bounded or unbounded. In all scenarios, the fine-tuning remains the same.

It is appropriate to complete this section on “fine tuning” with the eloquent words of Professor John Wheeler:

To my mind, there must be at the bottom of it all, not an utterly simple equation, but an utterly simple IDEA. And to me that idea, when we finally discover it, will be so compelling, and so inevitable, so beautiful, we will all say to each other, “How could it have ever been otherwise?
 
stu.. the truth is below.

I have been saying it for years and you keep lying about it.
Yes you've been lying for years about what scientists have been saying.

Your so called truth comes from religious apologists -partially quoting here and there in order to mislead - websites like creatorfact :D

That's not science.

No one knows, yet, why a certain parameter appears to be at an infinitesimally tiny number and not some other value, say zero for instance as Einstein said.

So you conclude it must have been Tuned by a so called Creator Tuner. That's not science.
It's religion. A superstitious conclusion for wherever scientific explanations are incomplete. God of the gaps.

It's no explanation and it's not science.
 
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no moron liar. that is not what I say.

first of all if you read the articles or wikipedia or anything else I have provided you would understand the scientists know this precision as fine tuning. Its their phrase.

so A you are an asshole for calling me a liar.

b... I have given you videos from Susskind and Penrose and others explaining... that as of now there are a few candidates to explain the fine tuning.

1. almost infinite universes.. or a multiverse is preferred by some.
2. but... a Tuner is also a possible answers.

That you continue to deny science... really is disgusting.
That you pretend I tell you, you must conclude there is a Tuner... is spineless troll garbage.
 
1. almost infinite universes.. or a multiverse is preferred by some.

You mean preferred by those doing science.

2. but... a Tuner is also a possible answers.

That's no kind of a scientific answer. By Tuner you mean god. There's your deceit.

If by Tuner you meant gravity, that would be a scientific answer.

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing." Stephen Hawking

You take an idiomatic expression used in science, (due to certain parameters it's as if the universe appears fine tuned), change it to say something it doesn't (the universe is fine tuned) then add a so called supernatural Tuner into it (tuning requires a Tuner, one possible explanation is a Tuner).

Religious explanations are not scientific explanations. Religious explanation is no explanation at all.

no moron liar. that is not what I say.

Through all your deceit, the untruthfulness you mislead yourself with and the lies you peddle, it's clear you no longer know what you're saying.
 
In non scientific matters like religion those questions don't matter. Gravity can simply be eternal. The point is, unlike god it is observed to exist and is the Creator which makes the universe inevitable.
 
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