Have Our Troops Taken Needless Casualties To Appease Mulsims?

Quote from traderNik:

Your troops have definitely taken needless casualties, but I don't think it's to appease the Muslims. I think the thing that has created needless casualties, when you look at the situation as a whole, is the difficulty in defining the ongoing mission in Iraq. You mentioned that the US soldiers have been put in a war-like situation but have been forbidden to act in a war-like manner. Surely a part of the problem is that the US didn't have any of the traditional reasons to go to war with Iraq, and in fact they always claimed that they weren't making war on Iraq, they were there to depose the dictator and murderer Saddam Hussein and establish a democratically elected government in Iraq, thereby undermining the effort to initiate and carry out terrorist attacks on US soil.

It is difficult to explain to people why, now that Hussein is in jail, there is more murder and mayhem than ever before, why it seems to us over here that if Iraq was a hotbed for the development of murderous terrorists before the war, it is now a blast furnace, minting murderer's at a frightening rate. There is a poor level of understanding among ET right wingers about Islam, the problems that exist within Islam, the mindset of radical Muslims, the reasons that more mainstream Muslims aren't rising up and proclaiming there disgust with the actions of the murderous mullahs and their brainwashed followers. What are the American soldiers actually doing in Iraq now? We can't say they are there fighting a war, and this is why they are taking casualties. Whose side are they on, the Shia or Sunni? They are in an impossible situation. They can't hammer the enemy because they have no clearly defined enemies left. Their remaining enemies might be the woman walking down the street with her baby or one of a group of young men watching them on a street corner, but they won't know which one until one of them explodes, taking US soldiers with him.

The war in Iraq is supposed to be over and that is why so many young US soldiers are losing their lives... needlessly, IMO.

A more general statement of the problem is this. It's impossible to take a big template labelled democracy, a template the size of Iraq, and use a thousand helicopters to pick it up, and fly it over Iraq and drop it, then hook it up again and lift it off Iraq and then say 'Look! A democracy!!'.

Another problem is this. There is no proof, as far as I can see, that this war isn't accomplishing all the objectives of those individuals who started it. In their view, it seems to me, things are going along swimmingly.
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like i said get out FASTTTTTT...
 
Muslim Outrage

Muslim outrage, huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just
some lowlights:

Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt.
No Muslim outrage.

A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back.
No Muslim outrage.

Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage. Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge.
No Muslim outrage.

Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed.
Muslims are outraged.

Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims. . .
No Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.

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I am sorry to say, but this comes awfully close to expressing my personal feelings on this topic. I keep trying to tell myself that not all Muslims are "bad guys", and I know that is true, but this kind of a historical perspective makes it more and more difficult to be "understanding." I don't have any solutions, at least none that are politically correct, but this situation is awfully frustrating ... and dangerous!

"People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
 
The solution is to get the muslims out of their fundamentalist thinking. We need to keep them in check until that happens. It won't be anytime soon though. It took Christians quite some time to get out of that mind set as well.
 
Good point - not sure Christians are completely 'cured' even today!! But, things have improved since the Crusades, the tacit approval of slavery and by 'looking the other way' when Hitler practiced genocide against multiple races and creeds!
 
so let me get this straight. Christians should have invaded iraq because of the saddam's genocide?

Secondly, you feel that the Church should have allowed Islam to take over Europe after Islam had taken over the Catholic strong holds of Nothern Africa and the Middle east by sword.
 
Not sure anyone should have invaded Iraq - unless Iraq posed a significant, and immediately impending, threat to an individual country. Then that country should have taken whatever action it deemed necessary.

If the people of Iraq wouldn't act against Saddam, why did we feel the need?

Don't necessary think this is a "Christian Thing" either way??!!
 
Quote from howellpar:

Not sure anyone should have invaded Iraq - unless Iraq posed a significant, and immediately impending, threat to an individual country. Then that country should have taken whatever action it deemed necessary.

If the people of Iraq wouldn't act against Saddam, why did we feel the need?

Don't necessary think this is a "Christian Thing" either way??!!
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You seemd to be indicting the Chruch for sitting around and allowing genocide. So I thought by your logic it would be clear that Christians should have invaded Iraq to stop the genocide.
 
Quote from traderNik:



It's so simple, isn't it? All Muslims are murderous maniacs and that's the justification for the US military presence in Iraq. I can't believe the majority of right wingers on here are going to leap to your defense on that one. It's so simplistic, I actually don't believe that you believe it.
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I don't believe and neither did I say it. And if you think I said it, I'll retract what you think I said.

Let me lay it out for you:

Muslims, whilst obviously not all murderous, are, on balance, fairly maniacal, provided with the merest of provocations. That means whatever goal of "liberalising" the Iraqi people neocon mandarins have is doomed to failure.

Personally, I don't really care what fate befalls Iraqis or any Muslims. If the US felt it had legitimate reasons for being in Iraq, that's fine with me. But if that reason is trying to rebuild Iraqis in their own image, it will never work.

To save you time, yes I'm a right wing extremist, racist, bigot, xenophobe etc etc. No, most right wingers on here wouldn't support me. That's because they're not really conservatives at all; merely "right-liberals".
 
"yes I'm a right wing extremist, racist, bigot, xenophobe etc"

Concur....


Quote from spect8or:

I don't believe and neither did I say it. And if you think I said it, I'll retract what you think I said.

Let me lay it out for you:

Muslims, whilst obviously not all murderous, are, on balance, fairly maniacal, provided with the merest of provocations. That means whatever goal of "liberalising" the Iraqi people neocon mandarins have is doomed to failure.

Personally, I don't really care what fate befalls Iraqis or any Muslims. If the US felt it had legitimate reasons for being in Iraq, that's fine with me. But if that reason is trying to rebuild Iraqis in their own image, it will never work.

To save you time, yes I'm a right wing extremist, racist, bigot, xenophobe etc etc. No, most right wingers on here wouldn't support me. That's because they're not really conservatives at all; merely "right-liberals".
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