Has there ever been a single documented case of profitable live trades?

Quote from wrbtrader:

The fact that you do know profitable traders isn't the question. The issue is that they haven't posted any live videos of their trading or the issue is that your question only involves other traders that say trading is easy and that anyone can do it while not providing any proof that such is true. :confused:

The few people that I've known who trade for a living either spent a lot of time getting to that point, or were scraping by with little room for error. It was not easy for the former, and is not easy for the latter. When I see people claiming it is easy, and spending a lot of time and energy defending their claims, I wonder why they don't just prove it. Since I haven't spent a lot of time researching this, I thought maybe it was possible one of them had done this, which is why I asked. Back in the day, people would point to Larry Williams as the example.

I'm not talking about people who did well, then backed up their claims with documentation. There are plenty of people who can do that. I'm talking about people who said "I'm going to show you how I make money", and then demonstrated it.
 
one of my friends (profitable one) says following many years ago(rough translation from russian): taking away someone else money is intimate thing..just like a sex with a spouse..why would some one give you a free video lesson? i wouldn't..
 
Quote from whred:

The few people that I've known who trade for a living either spent a lot of time getting to that point, or were scraping by with little room for error. It was not easy for the former, and is not easy for the latter. When I see people claiming it is easy, and spending a lot of time and energy defending their claims, I wonder why they don't just prove it. Since I haven't spent a lot of time researching this, I thought maybe it was possible one of them had done this, which is why I asked. Back in the day, people would point to Larry Williams as the example.

I'm not talking about people who did well, then backed up their claims with documentation. There are plenty of people who can do that. I'm talking about people who said "I'm going to show you how I make money", and then demonstrated it.

I highly recommend you don't spend the time & energy researching traders that claim trading is easy and anyone can be consistently profitable while doing such.

Just the same, don't worry about why those traders don't prove it to anyone that ask for such proof.
 
Well since no one else mentioned, there is the huge legal risk of trading live on video, look up the Investment Advisers Act of 1940. It's a federal law that applies even to non-licensed traders and advisers, and is written such that even if it's implied that you are giving trading advice even indirectly it's a no no.

If you're making a living or a good supplement to your living trading, why risk it for some ego stroking by doing it on video?
 
Quote from whred:

The few people that I've known who trade for a living either spent a lot of time getting to that point, or were scraping by with little room for error. It was not easy for the former, and is not easy for the latter. When I see people claiming it is easy, and spending a lot of time and energy defending their claims, I wonder why they don't just prove it. Since I haven't spent a lot of time researching this, I thought maybe it was possible one of them had done this, which is why I asked. Back in the day, people would point to Larry Williams as the example.

I'm not talking about people who did well, then backed up their claims with documentation. There are plenty of people who can do that. I'm talking about people who said "I'm going to show you how I make money", and then demonstrated it.

because daytrading is usually discretionary, and discretionary trading doesn't work. that's why there are no profitable screencasting daytraders.
 
Zen Student wrote..in part...

""Short answer: depends on your definition of successful and how prepared you are to look. Alternatively, you could become as big a success as your ability and effort will allow, and experience first hand whether consistent profitability can exist for you. Critical requirements: reliable trading plan, stable personality, self knowledge / self honesty and the pursuit of the truth.""

That's the best paragraph I've yet read on ET.
 
Let's see:

C2 is a hypothetical trading forum attracting very little institutional attention, so that's out (ie:not what the op was asking). The many thousands of systems that have been created there can very easily be attributed to random luck with only a select few ranked highly on C2's vendor rating.

World Cup has less than 20 traders who make big bucks at $100 to $300 per unit per month and I was planning on going that route.

I tried to use Adobe Captivate but it was a resource hog and not able to capture my trading since it used up way too much memory.

I've started putting my trades I'm doing for the World Cup immediately onto my twitter, and I guarantee I'm one of the only people in the world actually doing that. This is as close to being on camera as I ought to get, because the point of it is to attract traffic to my various websites and get a subscriber base.

I think it will be very easy to get noticed that way as soon as I'm out of incubation for World Cup Advisor's Group. Not quite there yet, but we'd been having connectivity problems with Multicharts and PFG so we did start one incubation period, had some technical problems due to bugs in Multicharts, then were asked to start another period of incubation, but, me being me, I would rather not wait to attract attention if subscription revenue is what I'm after.

I'm trying to be as vague as possible about myself, but I know the iBroker app supported by PFG allows server based automated posting of live trades to twitter, which then post to facebook and linkedin so that's all you're ever going to see as far as taping a live recording.

Most of my days are pretty boring anyway. If you were to watch my automated strategies live you wouldn't learn much, but that is not what I was trying to do with captivate, and I think I could try Camtasia but that is another issue entirely since I do not want to give away my methods, or even talk about them. I've spent years preparing them for this, and I'm in a unique position anyway to be living rent free only concerned about profitable trading opportunities and strategies.

NoDoji's twitter does not have live trades, even though she makes the calls after the fact, she probably doesn't have a broker that would do this, but if she has iBroker, maybe she just doesn't want to.
 
Quote from sheda:

Why the hell would you bother day trading stocks inthe first place?

yeah..go for futures! nah...go for options and SSf's!...nah...options on SSf's!:p
 
Quote from Zen Student:

Not that I know of. Those who can, quietly get on with it. Those who cannot, or who do not do it optimally, make all the noise in the world. This isn't necessarily because they are selling something - believe it or not despite the opportunities in trading to lift yourself into ultra high net worth it appears most on forums such as this are content to aim as high as grinding out some sort of living. This almost always involves haphazard trading, excuses, inaccuracies, and mental crutches.

As I posted the other day, there is a wide scale in this business ranging from total failure though mediocre all the way to very successful. Unfortunately there seems to be a tendency for people to ignore or disparage anything outside their own familiarity. Trading accommodates all types of participant. However the "for a living" grinders seem to disdain any more ambitious goals and those set on achieving high levels of accuracy and ultimately riches disdain those doing it for a living as unimaginative and unambitious or simply just unable. Those who have failed miserably resent everyone else.

So you ask the question as to profitability. This means making money. One day and even one trade would be sufficient. However, what I suspect you are aiming at is does anyone have the ability, either through discretionary trading or a quantitative method, to get it consistently right day in day out and amass considerable profits.

The answer to your question is an unequivocal yes. Can you find any proof of this? Maybe, maybe not. If you are in certain professions (legal, accountancy, tax) you may come across in the course of your work some highly successful private traders. Equally, as an employee of a financial institution you may be part of, or know of, a team of traders who lift considerable sums from a certain niche. Depending on how high up in the organisational structure you are, you may know details of this, hear rumours of this, or know nothing of this.

For reasons which ought to be obvious the very best of the best do not wish to attract attention. At the highest levels you are recognised by other successful men and women in various fields and have no need of general notoriety. Some live low profile, others in enclaves with similarly situated others.

As in the example of Roger Bannister and the four minute mile, some people need to see evidence that something can be done before they have the belief to achieve it for themselves. In trading, it might be helpful for a newcomer to see proof that it can be done (rather than arrogant boasting from know-nothings or know-littles or blatant snake oil peddling).

To these people, I would suggest a few avenues. First, there is the professional services route if one is already in it, and the institutional route. Another place to start would be the number of exchange seats in private ownership. (some of these seats sell in the six figures and are therefore owned by some fairly successful private individuals) If you can get access to an exchange (perhaps as a clerk/runner), you will come to hear of some successful folks. I suspect you are interested in standout individual traders rather than what can be achieved with low costs, size advantages, infrastucture, technology, and the ability to read client order flow.

Next would be anecdotal evidence from others who have had direct contact with information on successful traders. Do what you can to make sure this is reliable. On this board, we have a trader who posted recently about how he was involved on behalf of a broker arranging with an insurer specific insurance and benefits for a trader who had taken $100k to ~$30 million over ten or so years. There are some blotters in the "Trader P&L" threads but only a few of any consequence (ie large accounts who are obviously successful beyond the 'money I can afford to lose' amounts of the professional classes who try trading'). One in particular "Rearden Metal" had his six figure up days (stocks) verified by an executive at his prop firm. "NYSETrader123" has also put up some verifiable results trading futures.

If you speak to any futures prop guys, you will probably hear that at their firm there was a ludicrously successful trader (or small group of traders) who kept to themselves and didn't really want to be bothered.

Finally, one very successful trader I know who is in advancing years and has little family to speak of is seriously considering writing memoirs and having his accounts published after his death. He does not wish to attract unwanted attention during his lifetime but likes the thought of leaving some of his market results as a legacy to inspire other traders. As I understand part of the estate will benefit various charities so it should be straightforward to verify that this individual made his significant worth form the markets.

Short answer: depends on your definition of successful and how prepared you are to look. Alternatively, you could become as big a success as your ability and effort will allow, and experience first hand whether consistent profitability can exist for you. Critical requirements: reliable trading plan, stable personality, self knowledge / self honesty and the pursuit of the truth.

Seems like you have worked with or are one of the "successful". In your opinion what separates the folks that get to the top and those that end up grinding a living? Let's forget the other group of traders that never make it!

I have friends that grind out a living in this business. I also have met traders that excel and make the big bucks. I've even met one of the traders that you mentioned in your post lol. I have my opinion and theories...I want to hear yours.
 
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