Hardest working countries?

not sure how Forbes conducted their "study" but I agree if its about pure work hours Japan should rank pretty much on top way above the U.S. or ANY European nation. However, there is a reason Japanese workers put in so many hours. The efficiency of work in Japan is way below Western standards but this may not have been subject of this study.

The tons of cigarette breaks males take during work, the long lunch breaks, the entertainment at night, the consensus culture which frowns upon individuals making decisions and suggesting new ideas is what really slows businesses down in Japan. The huge advantage Japanese companies have over others is that Japanese workers have to endure a slave-like status. Employees are afraid of fully taking even their contractual vacation, to speak up against extreme short-notice relocations, also average renumeration is extremely low by Western standards. In sum, for a Japanese white collar worker, disagreeing with the consensus or questioning decisions by superiours, no matter how valid the argumens, are a definite career killer, much more so than in any Western society. This reduces the majority of Japanese workers to brain-dead monkeys and parrots but very obedient robots which allows Japanese corporations to plan and manage very agressively. Japanese work culture is as socialist as it gets, however, without the "rights" and "entitlement" component. And I dont say that because I read something that was published 15 years ago but by having lived and worked here for many years. This is obviously my own opinion and anyone may disagree...just wanted to share my observation.


Quote from monty21:

I was also fortunate to visit Japan several years ago. I saw about four different parts of Tokyo that rivaled Times Square. Culturally, their citizens are ingrained to work. Laziness is really looked down upon.

I remember when I studied traditional Japanese culture, there was actually a time where the men valued business higher than their families. Obviously that is changing now, but after WWII that's how business operated. The corporation was their first family.

I've also heard that the Mitsubishi family has the most political clout in all of Japan.

And yea, the Japanese love to drink. It's great how a couple of shots get them completely wasted.
 
strongly disagree

a) Japanese workers on average are pretty much the most inefficient among all leading industrialized nations. I would claim Americans are among the most efficient.
b) It seems like a contradiction, a country that produces many innovative products and having a very efficient service industry and on the other side an increadibly average inefficient work force. The explanation I gave in my previous post: The majority are monkeys who were taught to shut up, to follow, and have never learned to think out of the box but to put in the hours. This allows companies to let a few innovative individuals to lead the R&D process and utilize the masses very efficiently to implement ideas. Offer a better explanation, this is how I came to understand what is going on in the country I have lived and worked for many years.
c) Silicon valley would be exactly where it is today even if Japan did not exist. Fact is, no other advanced industry is so behind in terms of IT as Japan. There are couple niche areas such as the cell phone market, internet hardware infrastructure and the like. But Japan hugely lacks educated and skilled programmers, in fact so much, that they have to let tons of Chinese 2nd tier and 3rd tier programmers into their country to work here. When speaking about the IT industry some Japanese companies developed their edge in hardware components BUT Japan is absolutely behind the curve in regards to software development.

Quote from monty21:

Japanese workers are far more productive than their American counter-parts. The percentage of individuals that will become entrepreneurs is so slim that its irrelevant.

It's also absurd to claim that the Japanese are not innovative, even if they "tweak" technology. Have you ever been to Tokyo? Do you know how developed their entire country is? Have you ever heard about how advanced some of the robots that they develop are? Think about all the great cars they produce that are efficient and inexpensive. Have you seen how advanced their cell-phones our compared to ours? I went to Japan about five years ago and they had similar technology to what you see in the iPhone today.

Silicon Valley wouldn't be where it is without Japan.
 
Quote from dandxg:

Germany quality,hmm......? If that's true why do Mercedes Benz and BMW have less reliabilty that Toyota or Honda? I know that is the stereotype I have German friends. VW had one of the lowest reliability scores worse than GM a couple of years back. In fairness, those were probably the Mexican made VW's.

The majority of products you use are made in China. I haven't had one break for some time. In fact, I have this logitech USB mic that I use to chat on skype while trading and it's about 6 years old has traveled transatlantic twice and sounds great. When China first began the mfg. run up their stuff was crap now it's generally good. Yes I know about the melamine in food and crap, but those are thankfully statistical anomalies.

U.S. destroyed Mercedes Benz when Chrysler merged... resulting in Daimler-Chrysler in 1998.
 
Quote from dozu888:

Yeah, the Icelanders work so hard they worked the whole country right into bankrupcy.... nice work.

Unfortunately Icelanders got hit because the banking crises. It's not their gov't policies that caused it but rather the U.S. and Great Britain.

More importantly, their local town pension funds were invested in U.S. mortgages that were falsely rated investment grade from Moody's.

Then the sub-prime crises blew up in the U.S. which carried over into Iceland. U.S. was the corrupt party responsible for failing to show the risk of these higher yielding bonds. Iceland is also the blame for their ignorance... though no one saw this coming, not even Wall Street.
 
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strongly disagree

a) Japanese workers on average are pretty much the most inefficient among all leading industrialized nations. I would claim Americans are among the most efficient.
b) It seems like a contradiction, a country that produces many innovative products and having a very efficient service industry and on the other side an increadibly average inefficient work force. The explanation I gave in my previous post: The majority are monkeys who were taught to shut up, to follow, and have never learned to think out of the box but to put in the hours. This allows companies to let a few innovative individuals to lead the R&D process and utilize the masses very efficiently to implement ideas. Offer a better explanation, this is how I came to understand what is going on in the country I have lived and worked for many years.
c) Silicon valley would be exactly where it is today even if Japan did not exist. Fact is, no other advanced industry is so behind in terms of IT as Japan. There are couple niche areas such as the cell phone market, internet hardware infrastructure and the like. But Japan hugely lacks educated and skilled programmers, in fact so much, that they have to let tons of Chinese 2nd tier and 3rd tier programmers into their country to work here. When speaking about the IT industry some Japanese companies developed their edge in hardware components BUT Japan is absolutely behind the curve in regards to software development.

I'm not a economist, so I could easily be wrong, but its hard to believe that Japan lacks efficiency. Japan has a population of about 125 million and is continually one of the strongest economies... their workers must be productive. Look up any GDP statistics and they rank after the U.S.

Are you of Chinese descent? There are long historical tensions between China and Japan that may make you more bias towards China.
 
The # of hours worked per week does not necessarily correlate to the output level. You would expect that the # of work hours would drop as the level of automation increases. So you would expect the developed world to get "lazier" as fields such as robotics and artificial intelligence advance.
 
Taking examples the WWII Japanese Kamakazi flyers and the fanatic determination to follow Emperor's order till the end............it should be no surprise that Japanese corporate culture is pretty near to what asiaprop mentioned in his two informative posts.

I think only word Japanese employees know to speak is 'Haaii' meaning 'Yes', but sadly it is turns out to be 'yes' to anything right or wrong.

Even today, Japanese employees work from day 1 to the retirement.........only for 1 company, so expression of extreme loyalty and obedience is natural as per the selfish human mind.
 
Quote from monty21:Doesn't seem logical that Japan and Germany are missing... two of the world's most productive economies. I would take the Japanese labor force over the American one any day.
Labor productivity (output per working hour) is high in (former) West Germany -- doesn't mean the Germans put in the longest hours though.

I think Germany once held (maybe still does) the record for having the most paid public holidays per year. Plus each worker gets around 15-25 days of paid vacation days per year on top of that, making them one of one of the lazier countries world wide if you look at avg. working hours per year. They could afford this luxury over the recent decades, considering they were the world's largest exporters and one of the winners in the globalization game.

Productivity took a huge hit post 1990 (reunification with former communist Eastern German Republic) as democratic Germany grew by 20 million relatively unproductive capita. After trillions in transfer payments from the West and 20 years later, I believe there is still a gigantic productivity gap between the industrious southern regions like Swabians (Stuttgart) and Bavarians (Munich) and their Eastern brethren (Berlin, Leipzig etc.). IIRC the Czech Republic (without trillions in transfers) has a higher average industrial output per capita than Eastern Germany today :cool:
 
They must have forgotten France in that list.

Every time I ask someone about his job, he just sighs looking terribly tired... They must be working like hell...
 
last time I checked I was not of Asian origin.

Quote from monty21:

I'm not a economist, so I could easily be wrong, but its hard to believe that Japan lacks efficiency. Japan has a population of about 125 million and is continually one of the strongest economies... their workers must be productive. Look up any GDP statistics and they rank after the U.S.

Are you of Chinese descent? There are long historical tensions between China and Japan that may make you more bias towards China.
 
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