Happy Birthday Jesus!

5) Paul respected the rights of Philemon, as allowed for by the secular laws of the time, and knowing that the Philemon was also a household of faith, sent [ by the willing acceptance of Onesimus himself] Onesimus back to Philemon with the letter of introduction we now call the Epistle of Paul to Philemon.



Barthvader, you do not see how this is evil? Why Paul respects Philemon "rights" to own a person, but have no compassion for Onesimus slave? This is why: "and knowing that the Philemon was also a household of faith,"...
Like a cult.
 
Quote from kut2k2:

As a former devout Christian, I'm calling bullshit.

Love? Are you delusional? As horrific as the god of the Old Testament was, Christianity brought in a whole new level of terror.

For example, slavery. Neither Jesus nor "Saint" Paul nor any other Biblical figure is recorded as saying anything in opposition to the institution of slavery.

Let's look specifically at Paul:


So much time spend on Paul... you seem to forget the main teaching of Jesus Christ.

How could you imagine for only one second that Jesus, and more the All could accept slavery ? Don't you see how the physical needs of the secular order of the time would have done anything to not remove what they thaught to be their given right?

The real question to your "evading slave" problem is what YOU would have done if it happened to you ?
 
Quote from SNBthetrue:

So much time spend on Paul... you seem to forget the main teaching of Jesus Christ.

How could you imagine for only one second that Jesus, and more the All could accept slavery ? Don't you see how the physical needs of the secular order of the time would have done anything to not remove what they thaught to be their given right?

The real question to your "evading slave" problem is what YOU would have done if it happened to you ?

Given right? Isn't that what you Bible thumpers, not secular law, are supposed to have, and why God Bods want people to follow Jesus, because the secular order is basically wrong?

It's perfectly clear neither God nor Jesus would remove slavery. On the contrary, it is condoned, sanctioned and advised about throughout the Bible, the so called word of God, on how slaves are to be admonished and punished.

Have you even read the thing?

Of course Jesus accepts slavery. He is the lunatic character who invented eternal suffering as a means to "love" people. Even God hadn't thought of that one.
 
Quote from Barth Vader:

I shudder to bring to a devout christians' attention [or former devout christian], an oversight regarding the meaning of Scripture.

I will assume, given your self proclamation, that you are familiar with the Mosaic standards for servitude contained not only in the passage you quote, but also in Leviticus xxv and Exodus xxi. The passage of Deuteronomy is, as you know, pertaining to foreign slaves/fugitives who set foot on Hebrew soil. I mention this because Paul fulfills this requirement with regards to Onesimus.

A reading of the epistle will make several items rather clear.

1) Onesimus obviously was a fugitive from his master's household. It could be, given Philemon was a resident near Colossae, a journey of approximately 1,000 miles to Rome, and as Paul has alluded too in his letter, that some money might have been stolen by Onesimus to aid in his journey.

2) Paul obviously gave Onesimus shelter in his own maintained household.

3) Paul did not betray Onesimus to the Roman authorities, as the secular law would have instructed. Paul did not hold Onesimus until Philemon could travel to Rome and retreive his "property".

4) Paul instructed Onesimus in the good news of Christ. Onesimus became a follower of Christ.

5) Paul respected the rights of Philemon, as allowed for by the secular laws of the time, and knowing that the Philemon was also a household of faith, sent [ by the willing acceptance of Onesimus himself] Onesimus back to Philemon with the letter of introduction we now call the Epistle of Paul to Philemon.

6) Paul knew that Philemon would recall that he himself has a Master also.

We are all slaves and servants of our lusts and desires, and sadly, even in this day and age, there are still slaves in the secular sense.

As a former devout christian, I would have thought that you would have known that the chains of bondage are broken in the heart, not on top of the flesh.

I knew when Barth posted this most here would not understand, as they are themselves slaves without knowing, evident by their spiritual blindness.

Pearls before swine.
 
Quote from SNBthetrue:

So much time spend on Paul... you seem to forget the main teaching of Jesus Christ.
If Paul wasn't spreading the teachings of Christ, why was he given so much space in the New Testament? Paul was the first person to write about Jesus; his epistles predate all of the Gospels. What does that tell you?
Quote from SNBthetrue:

How could you imagine for only one second that Jesus, and more the All could accept slavery ? Don't you see how the physical needs of the secular order of the time would have done anything to not remove what they thaught to be their given right?

The real question to your "evading slave" problem is what YOU would have done if it happened to you ?
This begs the question of why your "omnipotent" god did nothing to end slavery himself?

As far as the "evading slave" problem, I prefer the excellent example of Spartacus as to how to stand up for what's right.
 
Quote from Wallet:

I knew when Barth posted this most here would not understand, as they are themselves slaves without knowing, evident by their spiritual blindness.

Pearls before swine.
Thing is, you can carry on blindsiding and re-interpreting obvious callous and immoral christian doctrine as if it meant something else, but it won't alter the fact that it is callous and immoral.

For one I'm very glad I don't "understand" how the Bible, in deliberately violating accepted principles of right and wrong, is supposed to be good.

If you want to cast pearls, first find some pearls.
 
Quote from Pension_Admin:

I just want to wish Jesus a Happy Birthday!

LOL

Amen

Hey thanks man.

I went to the steak and shake for the day and of course moses had to emberass me by making the waiters sing the Happy birthday song.
 
Quote from shortie:

if Jesus were alive now would he be a trend follower?

p.s. not sure if i am using the correct grammar here but i am not a native speaker

No, I'm a contrarian. I turn water into wine not water into more water.
 
Quote from Jesus:

Hey thanks man.

I went to the steak and shake for the day and of course moses had to emberass me by making the waiters sing the Happy birthday song.

Your omniscience is slipping...........
 
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