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Haitians Charge Missionaries With Kidnapping
- Thread starter AAAintheBeltway
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Quote from peilthetraveler:
So after hearing both sides of your arguements, I have come to the conclusion that the the moral of this story is....
Dont help children. Let someone else take the blame for their care or lack thereof.
Most of you think life in Haiti is just like life in america but without money. Its not. Things are so different there and maybe if you all knew what actually goes down in Haiti (even before the quake), you would side with the people trying to get them out. First off, there is a word for these children that the parents giveaway. They call them "Restavec's" In Haiti the parents will give their children to other wealthier families that live in the same country in hopes that their children will be educated, but in reality they are treated like slaves. The wealthy families will get these children for free and make them do all the dirty jobs in the house. Sometimes the wealthy families will take restavec girls to be sex slaves for their teenage boys and then the girls get pregnant, they will be kicked out onto the street like a piece of trash and a new girl will take her place as there is a never ending supply of restavek children in Haiti. Here is a book by someone that actually was a restavec child.
http://www.amazon.com/Restavec-Hait...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265394051&sr=8-1
In the book he describes sleeping, as a child, on a pile of rags under the kitchen table, âlike a house cat.â He would wet his makeshift bed every night. Bedwetting is very common with restavec children, according to Cadet, because their lives are filled with so much trauma. For wetting his ragpile, he was constantly ridiculed and sometimes beaten.
âFor any minor infraction,â Cadet writes, âthey are severely whipped with the cowhide whip that is exclusively made for that purpose"
Read that book and then try to compare someone who takes children out of Haiti with someone who takes a child in america from one house to another. You will see its apples & oranges.
I assumed, naively it appears, that people here would be sophisticated enough to appreciate the vast differences.
If there was anything other than a sincere desire to help these children at work, I would be amazed. I find it interesting that people are dying in the streets, but apparently paperwork is more important than getting children out of a dangerous environment.
Quote from Ricter:
The "other side" you refer to has not presented a coherent argument in a decade or more.
You probably restrict your news gathering to watching MSNBC, so you probably are not aware of opposing ideas.
Here are a couple to mull over.
Stop spending money by the trillions on slush funds disguised as stimulus; don't raise taxes in the middle of an economic crisis; don't impose huge unnecessary costs on our economy under the guise of fighting the fantasy of global warming; we can solve our energy needs with nuclear, coal and nat gas but solar and wind are never going to be more than a tiny fraction; terrorists should be held at gitmo and tried in military tribunals when we have finished extracting all available information from them; and finally, health care finance could use minor reforms but that is no reason for a government takeover.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/1067267.html
"The Idaho woman who led a group of 10 Baptists on a mission to help children in Haiti admits to failing to obtain paperwork needed to move 33 children to the Dominican Republic.
But even before Laura L. Silsby and seven other Idahoans ended up in a Haitian jail accused of trafficking in children, Silsby had a history of failing to pay debts, failing to pay her employees and failing even to follow Idaho laws."
Laura Silsby bought a house at 2828 S. Alfani Way in Meridian on Nov. 10, 2008. On Dec. 7, 2009, MetLife Home Loans foreclosed on the $358,500 house, according to the Ada County Recorder's Office."
"The Idaho woman who led a group of 10 Baptists on a mission to help children in Haiti admits to failing to obtain paperwork needed to move 33 children to the Dominican Republic.
But even before Laura L. Silsby and seven other Idahoans ended up in a Haitian jail accused of trafficking in children, Silsby had a history of failing to pay debts, failing to pay her employees and failing even to follow Idaho laws."
Laura Silsby bought a house at 2828 S. Alfani Way in Meridian on Nov. 10, 2008. On Dec. 7, 2009, MetLife Home Loans foreclosed on the $358,500 house, according to the Ada County Recorder's Office."
I see you are not denying what I said...
You thought since we invaded Iraq the oil became ours, and since we are modern day Romans, the spoils of war bullshit philosophy you subscribe to should also apply to Haiti's children...
Your comments below are bullshit of course, but you already know that...
You thought since we invaded Iraq the oil became ours, and since we are modern day Romans, the spoils of war bullshit philosophy you subscribe to should also apply to Haiti's children...
Your comments below are bullshit of course, but you already know that...
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
You remind me a lot of Obama. You can't deal with the other side's actual argument, so you invent a strawman position and assign it to them.
It's a weak and intellectually dishonest approach, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you and Obama use it so much.
strange thread. There has been concerns about trafficking in children and potentially even sex trafficking. The OP is completely wrong.
These "well-meaning" people had no business rounding up kids and taking them across a national border without papers for a "good" intention. The fact that it was Haiti or after a disaster does not change the rights of the Haitian govt to crack down on 10 fools trucking out over 30 children.
What if someone came, put THESE 10 peoples' kids on a truck from the USA and headed across the Mexican border? Would there suddenly be calling for the heads of those "kidnappers" and an investigation?
As a conservative Christian, I am sympathetic to the beliefs of these 10. And I am completely opposed to their behavior. It is kidnapping.
These "well-meaning" people had no business rounding up kids and taking them across a national border without papers for a "good" intention. The fact that it was Haiti or after a disaster does not change the rights of the Haitian govt to crack down on 10 fools trucking out over 30 children.
What if someone came, put THESE 10 peoples' kids on a truck from the USA and headed across the Mexican border? Would there suddenly be calling for the heads of those "kidnappers" and an investigation?
As a conservative Christian, I am sympathetic to the beliefs of these 10. And I am completely opposed to their behavior. It is kidnapping.
I for one ,am perfectly content letting Haiti remain the shithole it was before the quake.
I'm also quite sure that getting govt permission was as functionally available as myself getting a cherry slurpee at burger king.
I'm also quite sure that getting govt permission was as functionally available as myself getting a cherry slurpee at burger king.