H2O2 inhalation
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You really do not want an oxidizer in your lungs. A few dead cells are not a problem. It is the ones that survive that is the problem. I will talk to my chemist friend today about this. He will probably be very specific on how hydrogen peroxide at 3% concentration inside the lungs puts one at increased risk of cancer. Cigarettes have been shown to cause cancer, usually after many years of exposure.
As far as you feeling the best in many years, the same has been said of Radium water users in the early 1900’s. It turned out there was an initial elevated, but temporary immune response associated with radium water use. One practicioner ended up losing his lower jaw over this.
This hydrogen perioxide “therapy” may not be as dangerous as radium water, but it is exposing a sensitive and critical part of your body to a probable cancer risk because genetic damage to lung cells as a result of oxidation. In addition, should this therapy be a stressor to the lungs, you may be at increased risk of pneumonia should your chest receive blunt force trauma such as in a car accident. Many smokers have died because of this process.
When hydrogen perioxide is bubbling and fizzing, what do you think is happening? What processes are causing that? Think about it. Hard. Your long term health may depend on it.
First, thanks for the thoughtful and intelligent response. Nowadays it is pretty rare.
1. I understand the concern. I also know that generally oxidization isn't good for the body. Oxygen is also bad for viruses and bacterias...
2. That was actually more about my back pain being down, so unrelated. But I do feel energized too. And that cough went away good...
3. The instable O is getting into interaction with anything organic. So the end product is a little water in my lung and oxygen getting into my blood stream.
Now ask your chemist friend about people who have been doing this for 5+ years without any negative side effect. In my book practice beats theory every time. Not to mention my doctor would have told me to knock it off, if there was any danger of cancerizing my lungs...
Also if he/she can explain Mr. Munroe's cancer clean up.
1. I understand the concern. I also know that generally oxidization isn't good for the body. Oxygen is also bad for viruses and bacterias...
2. That was actually more about my back pain being down, so unrelated. But I do feel energized too. And that cough went away good...
3. The instable O is getting into interaction with anything organic. So the end product is a little water in my lung and oxygen getting into my blood stream.
Now ask your chemist friend about people who have been doing this for 5+ years without any negative side effect. In my book practice beats theory every time. Not to mention my doctor would have told me to knock it off, if there was any danger of cancerizing my lungs...
Also if he/she can explain Mr. Munroe's cancer clean up.
My chemist friend said that hydrogen perioxide does not just give off oxygen, but free radicals. These free radicals look to recombine with something. When they recombine, they cause damage, such as your lung cells. In addition, the stabilizers in certain grades of hydrogen perioxide are dangerous. For example, Colloidall sillicates, organo phosphates, and nitric acid are common stabilizers.
Inhaling Colloidal sillicates into your lungs may be more dangerous than inhaling regular particle silicates any may cause silicosis or emphysema. Organo phophates are found in weed killer and is considered a carcinogen by some. The nitric acid may be the least of your worries.
Inhaling hydrogen perioxide of any grade and any dilution is clearly a dangerous long term practice. The free radical damage to your lungs may cause scar tissue to form over time as well as the other stressors the stabilizers may have.
Stop inhaling hydrogen perioxide into your lungs immediately.
Please give the above statement the weight you would give to an medical emergency.
I am not a doctor and do not intend to give medical advise. I recommend you talk to a pulmonary specialist for further information.
I forgot to ask my friend’s, a non-medical doctor, opinion on Mr. monroe’s cancer clean up.
I appreciate your concern for my health, but I don't mind a little sacrifice for science even if it is just broscience. But seriously, you are not my doctor, and my doctor didn't say that I should knock off the inhalation.
Now about stabilizers:
1. I actually use food grade without stabilizers most of the time. So no worry there.
2. Sometimes when I am on location and I don't have the food grade, I still don't worry, because, guess what they use as a stabilizer? Phosphoric acid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphoric_acid#Uses
Do you know what drink has phosphoric acid in it? Every damn soda!!!
Now that we settled the stabilizer issue, let's move on. I will look up the free radicals issue and get back to you.
If I recall correctly, former ET blogger slartibartfast stopped drinking soda because it had phosphoric acid in it. If you are curious, try a search within ET. Anyway, few things are more important than your health and should be treated as such. Soapbox /off.
Speaking of, look what I have found:
How Oxidative Stress May Help Prolong Life
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090528203726.htm
Summary:
Oxidative stress has been linked to aging, cancer and other diseases in humans. Paradoxically, researchers have suggested that small exposure to oxidative conditions may actually offer protection from acute doses. Now, scientists have discovered the gene responsible for this effect. Their study explains the underlying mechanism of the process that prevents cellular damage by reactive oxygen species.
Oxidative stress has been linked to aging, cancer and other diseases in humans. Paradoxically, researchers have suggested that small exposure to oxidative conditions may actually offer protection from acute doses.
One major contributor to oxidative stress is hydrogen peroxide, converted from a type of free radical that leaks from the mitochondria as it produces energy. While the cell has ways to help minimize the damaging effects of hydrogen peroxide by converting it to oxygen and water, this conversion isn't 100 percent successful.
They elicited adaptation by pre-treating cells with a mild dose of hydrogen peroxide, followed by a high dose. They observed that the cells undergoing this adaptation protocol exhibited a smaller reduction in viability than cells exposed to only an acute treatment protocol (in which about half of the cells died.)
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So if I understand this correctly, the body reacts to free radicals and oxidative stress just like a person exercising his body, tearing down the muscles and rebuilding them stronger.
So if I use a mild dose of H2O2 now, when the stronger free radicals attack my body, the body will be ready for them because it ADAPTED itself to the change, just like vaccination or muscle building. That would explain why Mr Munroe looked relative young in the video, at least 10 years younger than his real age...
What is your chemist's opinion on this?
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Part #2 on oxidative stress:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150721124628.htm
""The most surprising thing we found is that the endothelium was much less perturbed by oxidative stress during advanced age when compared to younger age," Segal said. "This finding contrasts with the generally held belief that the functional integrity of the endothelium is compromised as we age. "
In short, older mice reacted less to oxidative stress induction. What does it mean? Well maybe older mice who had such stress during its younger years adapted to such stress thus when they administered H2O2 during the test into their bodies, they could take it better.
To use this info in our topic, maybe an older person (like the middle aged test dummy of this thread) is going to be less damaged when he inhales 10% H2O2 accidentally, because he inhaled 3% before and his lungs have adapted...
Kind of like Napoleon poisoning/conditioning himself with small doses of poison just in case someone later tries to kill him...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150721124628.htm
""The most surprising thing we found is that the endothelium was much less perturbed by oxidative stress during advanced age when compared to younger age," Segal said. "This finding contrasts with the generally held belief that the functional integrity of the endothelium is compromised as we age. "
In short, older mice reacted less to oxidative stress induction. What does it mean? Well maybe older mice who had such stress during its younger years adapted to such stress thus when they administered H2O2 during the test into their bodies, they could take it better.
To use this info in our topic, maybe an older person (like the middle aged test dummy of this thread) is going to be less damaged when he inhales 10% H2O2 accidentally, because he inhaled 3% before and his lungs have adapted...
Kind of like Napoleon poisoning/conditioning himself with small doses of poison just in case someone later tries to kill him...
I will be in contact with my friend next week and will report back.
Stress for health building seems to be an interesting idea based on anecdotal evidence in other examples of induced stress or the lack thereof. For example, babies who are brought up in sanitized home are much more likely to have allergies and asthma. It has been speculated that early immune system stress helps give the baby a strong immune system. In other studies involving a range of animal test subjects, the stressor of partial food deprivation tends to result in significantly longer life spans. It has been suggested that an individual who is subjected to climate temperature extremes from time to time may increase their longevity. Even exposure to ionizing radiation may have a net health benefit so long as the dose does not exceed a certain threshold.
Vigorous excercise could also be considered stress. Personally, I would feel more comfortable in stressing my body through excercise than by introducing chemical processes as a stressor.
Summary:
Inhaling small amounts of hydrogen in addition to concentrated oxygen may help stem the damage to lung tissue that can occur when critically ill patients are given oxygen for long periods of time, according to a new rat model study. The study also found hydrogen initiates activation of heme-oxygenase (HO-1), an enzyme that protects lung cells.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110516141546.htm
"Comparing oxygen exposure groups to controls, the researchers found exposure to 2 percent nitrogen with 98 percent oxygen for 60 hours markedly impaired lung function and caused inflammation and a build-up of fluid in the lung. In contrast, rats exposed to 2 percent hydrogen with 98 percent oxygen had less swelling and improved lung function, as well as significant reductions in inflammation compared to controls. In addition, levels of HO-1 were elevated in rats exposed to hydrogen."
""Hydrogen has a therapeutic potential not only in treating acute lung injury, but also in treating chronic lung diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which is the fourth leading cause of death in the U.S.," he said. "Hydrogen may help prevent progression of COPD, which could have a huge impact on treatment."
Inhaling small amounts of hydrogen in addition to concentrated oxygen may help stem the damage to lung tissue that can occur when critically ill patients are given oxygen for long periods of time, according to a new rat model study. The study also found hydrogen initiates activation of heme-oxygenase (HO-1), an enzyme that protects lung cells.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110516141546.htm
"Comparing oxygen exposure groups to controls, the researchers found exposure to 2 percent nitrogen with 98 percent oxygen for 60 hours markedly impaired lung function and caused inflammation and a build-up of fluid in the lung. In contrast, rats exposed to 2 percent hydrogen with 98 percent oxygen had less swelling and improved lung function, as well as significant reductions in inflammation compared to controls. In addition, levels of HO-1 were elevated in rats exposed to hydrogen."
""Hydrogen has a therapeutic potential not only in treating acute lung injury, but also in treating chronic lung diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which is the fourth leading cause of death in the U.S.," he said. "Hydrogen may help prevent progression of COPD, which could have a huge impact on treatment."