H1B Visa program has already ruined this country

[PocketChange]

I believe the Rupee is still a closed currency tightly controlled by the RBI. Their government is very protective and negotiate mostly one sided deals.

Unlike the US, India requires controlling interest in business ventures to remain Indian. Agricultural land can not be foreign owned. I think they are still stinging from the British.

They appear to have the largest call centers and BPO operations. These were once entry and mid level US Jobs... Really hard for US workers and companies to compete.

Quote from bearice:

I think the biggest Indian company is Reliance industries worth $50 Billion but Madoff fraud was for $65 Billion.

George Bush had said to Indian leaders "you take agriculture technology" but Indian leaders said "we want nuclear technology".

Majority of car designs in India are inspired from worldwide car designs. I think India does not have any original car design. They are mixture of many car designs.

Also the tallest building is Burj tower in dubai I think 1600 feet to 2000 feet. Are you sure India's 2,362 feet building is under construction and not just dreams?

I think India does not allow more than 50% direct foreign investment in Indian companies. Foreign companies have to partner with Indian companies and share technology if they want to conduct business in India.

I think India compelled Russia to share Sukhoi fighter plane technology which is being manufactured in India. I think the same applies to Brahmos cruise missile.

If India allows direct foreign investment in India then all Indian giant companies will be acquired/taken over/buy by rich countries within 2 days and India will be under English rule again for 200 years.

 

[gwb-trading]

When working in a large U.S. software company nearly all the resumes we got from India made the candiates appear stellar. When these characters showed up in the U.S. after being hired by the Indian buddies - they had none of the skills listed on their resumes.

In one example, there was a recruiting firm in India sending us resumes that were basically photo-copies except for the name being changed. The skill set for these candidates was obviously a fraud but the U.S. company still hired them.

Quote from pupu:

As a senior IT developer these are some of the things I witnessed myself over the last 2 years alone(very large firms):

Last project I was the only American developer on site and the tech lead told me that they have 10 time more Indians working on the project from India. They were also getting great benefits.

Interviewing candidates: A lot of unqualified candidates are submitted with stellar resumes and experience. Once you talk to them you realized they know s*** and their resumes are jammed packed with lies, usually following the same pattern. All Indians via Indian agencies.

Previous project I was working for an large equity research group. They were already 25% through training and replacing their research analysts with Indians. Obviously it start at the button level but you can already see the trend.

Ha... if we can only outsource our CEO's and politicians....

 

[gwb-trading]

Quote from krazykarl:

You're not comparing apples-to-apples. A masters degree in India is akin to an undergrad degree in avg. US public universities.

Actually the quality of the University system in India varies widely. Some of the top schools are excellent and on par with top U.S. Engineering schools.

Many of the universities in India however are in the same tier as "diploma by mail" schools in the U.S. The "Masters" degrees from these particular institutions (and there are many of them) are not worth a two year degree in the U.S.

We had one software engineer who came over to the U.S. from India - he had earned both a undergraduate and masters degree in two years. Because he obviously had no skills - I could only assume that the University program in India was a joke, not that he was so brillant that he did five years worth of education in two years.

 

[gwb-trading]

Actually there are many brillant software engineers in the U.S. that came from overseas and invented great things.

The issue we have over the past 10 years is the flood of completely unqualified 'software engineers" who are taking American jobs simply so large corporations can pay lower salaries. Greatly increasing the number of allows H1B visas and allowing total abuse of the program has not helped the US economy or innovation.

Quote from Grandluxe:

Ajay bhatt, inventor of the USB, was a H1B holder at one point if I am not wrong.

 

[gwb-trading]

Recognize that most of the advertisements posted for Software Engineers in newspapers and trade publications are only being posted because the company wants to hire a H1B Visa candidate and needs to make a case that no workers in the U.S. are available with the necessary qualifications. Companies are required to post an advertisement at least twice to get resumes from U.S. workers.

This is also why you see ads with long lists of technical requirements or obviously fraudlent requirements (more years of experience than a lanquage has existed). It is all so the U.S. company can screen out U.S. candidates and say there is no one in the U.S who fits the qualifications for the job. Never-mind that the H1B candidate from India does not really have any of the qualifications listed in the advertisement either.

Quote from _PD_:

This has been going on for 20 years.
I've seen several jobs advertised which required more experience in a software language than the number of years it's even existed. My guess is that the company then whines to the govt that it can't get experienced workers and we need more H1Bs.

 

[gwb-trading]

I can confirm this. I worked for one of the two companies listed below in softwre development. Whenever I brought in highly qualified candidates fromn the U.S., I was was told from my managers (who were Visa holders) that the candidates were not a good fit.

Whenever we interviewed candidates who were Visa holders from the same country of the manager - we were told that they were a great fit and our feedback did not matter. It was basically a chain of people who would only hire people who came from the same country as themselves.

Quote from jsmith:

This is absolutely true here in the Bay Area with all the tech companies. I have friends working in both Cisco and Intel who talk about it.

Indians in senior positions are helping their own nationality by hiring only Indian engineers when possible. Nationality is part of their criteria for looking for qualified candidates.

 

[EON Kid]

Quote from jinxu:

Here's another letter forwarded to me:

I worked for Cisco Systems of San Jose, CA for almost four years. I was the last American to work in the Oracle Database Administration department of approximately 25 individuals at this site. Almost all of the remaining DBAs are from India on H1-B visas. Other technical departments have extremely similar demographics and it is obvious to all that only Indians need apply for technical positions. Several times, I attempted to submit resumes of qualified candidates only to be told 'they wouldn't be a good fit' - and this was without interviewing or even looking at their resume beyond their names. I understand that even Indian US citizens were turned down for interviews when they mistakenly told Cisco representatives that they did not require sponsorship. I was given a PIP (Performance Improvement Plan), ironically enough, shortly before I had told several people that I was planning to leave the company soon as well as around the same time I sold a number of my stock options, a practice strongly discouraged by management as options become invalidated if an employee is terminated, saving the company large amounts of money. At my going away lunch, virtually the entire department, except for my manager who had also gotten rid of the earlier American DBAs, came to the lunch. I had very good relations with my Indian colleagues who could undoubtedly speak on my behalf as to my dedication, skills, and conscientiousness. When I was terminated, I was given a termination package but no reason was provided, despite my repeated requests. The best the PIP could do, was to say I did not answer my telephone by the third ring. The plan was followed but no matter what, I was told that it was not good enough. I was told that if I protested or considered legal action, my termination package would be revoked. If I was not planning to relocate, I would have pursued the company regardless as I was without doubt, discriminated against and very openly. Additionally, I was several years older than my manager as well as several years above the average of the generally younger group.

Cisco Appoints Padmasree Warrior as Chief Technology Officer

Do HIB Indians make more loyal employees?

 

[EON Kid]

Quote from gwb-trading:

Actually the quality of the University system in India varies widely. Some of the top schools are excellent and on par with top U.S. Engineering schools.

Many of the universities in India however are in the same tier as "diploma by mail" schools in the U.S. The "Masters" degrees from these particular institutions (and there are many of them) are not worth a two year degree in the U.S.

We had one software engineer who came over to the U.S. from India - he had earned both a undergraduate and masters degree in two years. Because he obviously had no skills - I could only assume that the University program in India was a joke, not that he was so brillant that he did five years worth of education in two years.

or maybe the they were forgeries?

 

[gwb-trading]

Quote from 1prometheus:

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You cannot understand India without traveling through India. Americans think indians are "smart" only because we see the top 3% here in the USA. India (while beautiful in some ways) is a filthy, horrid country. People burn mounds of trash and feces in the street to such a degree in places people's faces and teeth are stained black from the soot. The poverty, disorder, and chaos is unimaginable to a westerner. It is a pion society. The very few are masters, below them are armies of "nothings" who clog the streets and even relieve themselves (number 2) right on the curb with no compunction about it.

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I have visited the high tech center of Bangalore in India and it is exactly as you described it. The line between wealth and poverty was shocking. The minute we stepped off our pristine corporate campus, the streets were filled with impoverished people with trash and feces all over the place.

And this was the top end example of a tech center city in India.

 

[gwb-trading]

Quote from EON Kid:

Cisco Appoints Padmasree Warrior as Chief Technology Officer

Do HIB Indians make more loyal employees?

H1B Visa employees do make more loyal employees because they CAN NOT go to another job in the U.S. The H1B Visa locks you into the employer that sponsored you.

One obvious solution to this issue is to issue H1B Visas that allow workers to work for any employer within the time frame of the Visa. This means that companies would have to pay H1B Visa holders competitive salaries or they will walk down the road to another company that pays a better salary that is in-line with the free market.

H1B Visa holders are basically financial slaves who are bound to the sponsoring company. It it time the U.S. eliminated this type of servitude.