Gun crime. Have you lost a loved one ?

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/121464714.html
The 18 yr old in the story was my son. He and a friend were driving home from another friends house at the time. A guy walking across the street saw 2 guys get out of a car at a Taco Bell and pull masks over their heads. The guy walking yelled at them. The 2 guys pulled out guns and opened fire with one of the bullets going through the car door and hitting my son in the elbow and then through his shirt and landing in the seat. The cops that came to interview him were both wearing 2 bullet proof vests. One under their shirts and one outside. That's nuts. My son was ok, but pretty shaken. I have the shirt with the hole framed to give to him as a reminder when times are crappy that he is blessed and could be worse.
 
The whole gun thing has gone into mass insanity. Overseas travelers going to the USA are often warned they are entering one of the most violent countries in the world that is not in a civil war. Guns are like an addiction - the more we have, the more people that get killed, the more people think they need a gun for defense which saturates the streets with tons of stolen guns. For the general public every academic study spanning many decades concludes your chance of being killed by a gun increases when you own a gun as does accidental shootings and suicides.
 
comagnum said:
The whole gun thing has gone into mass insanity. Overseas travelers going to the USA are often warned they are entering one of the most violent countries in the world that is not in a civil war. Guns are like an addiction - the more we have, the more people that get killed, the more people think they need a gun for defense which saturates the streets with tons of stolen guns. For the general public every academic study spanning many decades concludes your chance of being killed by a gun increases when you own a gun as does accidental shootings and suicides.
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With all due respect, this is complete horseshit.
 
When you debate a topic that is fine but by labeling it as horseshit is real apathetic - sounds like 4th grade level debating skills. If you want to debate bring it on, everything I said is fact based.
 
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comagnum said:
The whole gun thing has gone into mass insanity. Overseas travelers going to the USA are often warned they are entering one of the most violent countries in the world that is not in a civil war. Guns are like an addiction - the more we have, the more people that get killed, the more people think they need a gun for defense which saturates the streets with tons of stolen guns. For the general public every academic study spanning many decades concludes your chance of being killed by a gun increases when you own a gun as does accidental shootings and suicides.
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comagnum said:
This is 4th grade level rebuttals of people with a low I.Q. that fail to look at real fact based dat collection. You apathy is on display!
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Actually this has been widely debated in the past in P&R. Your absurd talking points have been refuted over & over again with statistical data.

Let's start with the reality that the cities in the U.S. with the strictest gun control laws have the highest violence and murder rates. While the cities in the U.S. without strict gun control laws are the safest with the lowest crime.
 
I live in a state with extremely low gun ownership and it is one of the safest in the nation - Hawaii - super safe - it is very rare to hear of any gun related deaths. So that debate is busted. Trying to find a one off will not compensate for the national statistics.

“The five states with the highest per capita gun death rates in 2011 were Louisiana, Mississippi, Alaska, Wyoming, and Montana,” the Violence Policy Center (VPC) said in its latest analysis of federal statistics. “Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Rhode Island, followed by Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, and New Jersey. Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and has a lower rate of gun ownership.”

“The overwhelming trend is that the strong gun law states have seen dramatic declines in violence."

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/04/10_...most_and_least_likely_to_kill_people_partner/
 
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