Gun control toast

Lucrum · Apr 17, 2013

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What does "well regulated" mean to you?

wjk · Apr 17, 2013

Quote from PiggyBank:

I am in total agreement with what your post, the reason i said that is because it currently is illegal or nigh impossible to obtain certain guns, even though it should not be. And by insane, I mean a clinically certified psycho, like prescribed anti psychotic meds.. not someone who visited a psychologist as a child cause their parents were getting divorced etc. Of course, there needs to be some recourse in case someone gets placed on that list who shouldn't be there.. cause that would obviously happen. I would be dumbfounded if no list exists, at least on a state level. What good are these laws and regs if someone can just lie on their application?

Doesn't matter. If a determined psycho wants a gun, he will get one. The left knows it. Their bill would do little except to restrict law abiding citizens' rights.

wjk · Apr 17, 2013

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PiggyBank · Apr 17, 2013

Quote from wjk:

Doesn't matter. If a determined psycho wants a gun, he will get one. The left knows it. Their bill would do little except to restrict law abiding citizens' rights.

I gotta disagree here. It's a good trade, it actually gives the non-psycho, law-abiding citizens more freedom than they presently have, and does 'something' to protect the public. It obviously wouldn't have stopped lanza, but maybe that other clown who shot up the batman movie. I realize, as you do, that the rabid left is out to confiscate guns. I also realize that no law or anything short of another armed individual, is going to stop someone (insane or not) bent on killing people. But this compromise would be a win imo, and i don't see how it could used to restrict a law abiding citizen's Rights. it is also better for the crazy people than locking them up and tossing the key, they're insane but wtf.

edit: you might be talking about the bill that didn't pass today, which i agree was bullshit. This post^ was based on the assumption that we were talking about the imaginary deal ricter was asking u about in this post:

Quote from Ricter:

Would you trade a requirement for a gun seller to check a "crazies database" for a relaxation on weapon style and magazine size, as PB suggested?

Lucrum · Apr 17, 2013

Quote from PiggyBank:

I gotta disagree here. It's a good trade, it actually gives the non-psycho, law-abiding citizens more freedom than they presently have, and does 'something' to protect the public....

How so?

PiggyBank · Apr 17, 2013

Quote from Lucrum:

How so?

Fuck the real bill, i am talking about the compromise that i posted a few pages back (in the post you quoted).

Quote from PiggyBank:

...And really, i wouldn't have a problem with a law that imposed harsh penalties on sellers who sell to documented ex felons or certifiably insane people. To me an ideal gun bill, a real compromise, would be the above in exchange for unrestricted access to full auto's (something like repealing the NFA)..

LEAPup · Apr 17, 2013

Why don't we all agree Luke and I should pay ricter's airfare here, then take him night fishing in the Atlantic? No, not at the "Orlando sea port" he "sailed" into. The REAL Atlantic Ocean. Should be a great time!

CaptainObvious · Apr 18, 2013

When bombs go off in Boston, the media blames the bomber, yet when a lunatic shoots up a college campus, or a theater, or a grade school, the media blames the gun. Until we get that straightened out there is little hope for any meaningful legislation to be passed.

Lucrum · Apr 18, 2013

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When bombs go off in Boston, the media blames the bomber, yet when a lunatic shoots up a college campus, or a theater, or a grade school, the media blames the gun. Until we get that straightened out there is little hope for any meaningful legislation to be passed.

Excellent point.

Lucrum · Apr 18, 2013

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i don't know for certain, but it seems like that is bullshit. The gun still has to be shipped to a FFL dealer if bought online. And really, i wouldn't have a problem with a law that imposed harsh penalties on sellers who sell to documented ex felons or certifiably insane people.

Selling to felons, and I think mentally ill, is ALREADY against the law. Although violations are not regularly prosecuted, believe it or not.

If more guns laws were the solution to our "problem" we wouldn't even have a problem. We already have 22,000 (not a typo) federal state and local firearms regulations in this country.

The Columbine shooters violated something like 20 different guns laws acquiring their weapons. Would a few more guns laws have stopped them?

The CO theater shooter walked right into a "gun free zone". So called gun free zones don't work either.