That's the way the world works? Sorry, not everywhere. Six black men together does not a gang make.
Geez, I didn't realize that you were still in high school. Sorry about that one! Ok, that study you referenced starts here:
Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, who led the Stanford prison study in which two dozen college students were randomly selected to play the roles of prisoners or guards in a simulated jail, believes that his experiment has striking similarities to the Abu Gharib prison situation. "I have exact, parallel pictures of naked prisoners with bags over their heads who are being sexually humiliated by the prison guards from the 1971 study,â he said. Professor Zimbardo explains that prisons offer an environment where the balance of power is so unequal that even normal people without any apparent prior psychological problems can become brutal and abusive unless great efforts are made by the institution to control the expression of guards' hostile impulses. Of the Stanford and Iraq prisons, he states, "It's not that we put bad apples in a good barrel. We put good apples in a bad barrel. The barrel corrupts anything that it touches."
First, are we to assume that all white males given power spots don't know how to act and will abuse power? I read the survey and I didn't notice where the survey was handled using a multi-racial contingent either as prisoners or as guards to see if this was a contributing factor.
Further, it didn't address whether or not the level of education was a factor and if it was equivalent to the guards in the military facility. Nor did the study address individuals having different levels of experience, or coming from different regions of the country. What I am saying is this study, while nicely documented, is only an experiment at best. None of these individuals are on the line, nor militarily trained, nor subject to the penalties for bad behavior. Piss poor survey!
One of the things that you need to do is question even the so-called experts. We, you, can take this textbook expert and put him under a microscope and dissect him also. You really do need to understand that some of the experts are that in degree and writing
"ONLY!" You can read every manual that there is on something and be the most learned person around. But understand it still is just that, "book expertise!" When these guys got through playing guards, they went back to whatever it was they were doing. That doesn't happen in the military.
There was a program in the late seventies called scared straight. They took juveniles to jail to let them interact with lifers to try to keep them straight. This was administrated by a few PHd's who believed this was the way. Especially with minorities. It was to become a nationwide program. Long story short, that program doesn't exist anywhere that level today.
I could probably find you experts that can counter exactly what was derived from that experiment also. Especially from a minority standpoint. Stay vigilant when someone tells you that everyone is bad. This doctors survey noted too many 100% bad results for me. Of course, his survey would logically lead me to ask are all white people corrupt when given power positions? Not good!
I would also say that the extremists don't need images for motivation. The balance of folks who have experience interacting with Americans do know better. Trust me!
Good try with the governmental lesson though, but you have to read the sentences correctly. The sentence read:
The administration did not train these, or any, soldiers. No President, congress, or House of Reps did so you can't blame or give any of the credit for that.
While you are correct in the fact that he is the "Commander In Chief", he is not the "Trainer In Chief." You should learn from your ROTC officer who trains the troops. They do still allow them on your campus I hope.
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No, that is the way the world works. Terrorist are not the most logical people there are. They will remember those pictures.
Yes, that is what I said wasn't it. There were several experiments that studied guard behavior, the Stanford prison and Milgram experiments. It relates directly to what happened in Iraq.
http://www.apa.org/topics/iraqiabuse.html
When did I say that they were all corrupt? I said it doesn't matter if only a few of them are corrupt, it is the images of the corrupt soldiers that will be remembered by terrorist.
Here is a lesson on the US government:
"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States:
--Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution
"The Department of Defense is headed by a civilian; the Secretary of Defense, who is appointed by the President of the United States. Under the Secretary of Defense, there are three military departments: The Department of the Army, the Department of the Air Force, and the Department of the Navy. Each of these military departments are also headed up by civilians; the Secretary of the Army, the Secretary of the Air Force, and the Secretary of the Navy. These "service secretaries" are also appointed by the President."
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/military101.htm
lol who do you think is responsible for the military, the courts?
