Grinding it out, day after day

jesus, what the hell are you talking about..

Quote from alientrader:

He said he did 200-300k the previous year before, so it's okay not great.

To be honest and I am not having a dig at Corey here, it's not worth it. If you are a graduate from a good college/university and work your way up, in your late 30's, you should be at about 200k.

I know many of my classmates, who are in their mid to late 30's and have now hit VP level at various firms across multiple industries. Note: I said the word good, not some crapola degree from a shitty college. You can get all that without all the psychological trauma that comes from trading and worrying about whether your strat will continue to work to pay your bills,etc.

Not to mention that having a stable income has many benefits when it comes to taking loans or mortgages.

IMO in such a case, 200-300k is simply not worth it. Now if you didn't go to college, have a manual job and no real prospect of making more than 50-60k in your lifetime, then go for it but otherwise, anyone with a strong educational degree, i would strongly dissuade them from going into daytrading, at least not in this environment.

To those who have just graduated, if you have a decent degree, learn to leverage on your educational achievements. If you really want to trade, go and get an institutional trading job, not staying at home knocking out pennies.
 
Quote from ElCubano:

gimmie a break, for that amount of money you'd go to work in a tutu.

not at this stage of my life, I wouldn't. $10 million would mean nothing to me if I had to stay in some large metro shit hole with nothing but concrete, asphalt and people piled umpteen stories high

when I was younger, sure. But now if I cannot live life doing what I want where I want, money means nothing.
 
Quote from artfartdart:

jesus, what the hell are you talking about..

trader message boards... some things never change, no matter how many years or decades pass by :)
 
Making a consistent 300K trading year in, year out is a very tough feat. Lescor, very cool of you to have posted an update.

One thing I was curious about: '12 and '13 being roughly the same in character (wrt equities specifically), what were the reasons behind the flat P&L?

A method employing a large basket of equities should have significant capacity in terms of scalability. So if it can generate 300K one year, one would think that producing 400K the next year should be achievable through additional size.

In case scalability is indeed a problem then it stands to reason that once a trader attains the skills allowing the development of a method that produces results of this consistency (If you read Lescor's journals you'll realize that he is one tenacious machine), additional methods could be developed, thereby further boosting P&L.

In short, someone with that type of honed skill is very capable of constantly expanding the range of opportunities to generate capital.

So, what were the limiting factors? If you think about this, the answer lies in the question. Clearly, there are multiple ways to continue to make more and the only reason someone like Lescor didn't make more has to be because he did not want to. I mean, there are other things in life that require lots of attention and effort. Once your money problem is solved to your liking, you move on to those things. Family being one of them.

So, thinking 300K not being "not worth it" is thinking that 300K is your ceiling. Such capped potential makes the whole exercise somehow unappealing. But in Lescor's case there likely isn't a ceiling. The man is simply content with the figure.

/Wulfrede
 
Quote from austinp:

not at this stage of my life, I wouldn't. $10 million would mean nothing to me if I had to stay in some large metro shit hole with nothing but concrete, asphalt and people piled umpteen stories high

when I was younger, sure. But now if I cannot live life doing what I want where I want, money means nothing.

I agree 100% .
 
Quote from Wulfrede:

Making a consistent 300K trading year in, year out is a very tough feat. Lescor, very cool of you to have posted an update.

One thing I was curious about: '12 and '13 being roughly the same in character (wrt equities specifically), what were the reasons behind the flat P&L?

A method employing a large basket of equities should have significant capacity in terms of scalability. So if it can generate 300K one year, one would think that producing 400K the next year should be achievable through additional size.

In case scalability is indeed a problem then it stands to reason that once a trader attains the skills allowing the development of a method that produces results of this consistency (If you read Lescor's journals you'll realize that he is one tenacious machine), additional methods could be developed, thereby further boosting P&L.

In short, someone with that type of honed skill is very capable of constantly expanding the range of opportunities to generate capital.

So, what were the limiting factors? If you think about this, the answer lies in the question. Clearly, there are multiple ways to continue to make more and the only reason someone like Lescor didn't make more has to be because he did not want to. I mean, there are other things in life that require lots of attention and effort. Once your money problem is solved to your liking, you move on to those things. Family being one of them.

So, thinking 300K not being "not worth it" is thinking that 300K is your ceiling. Such capped potential makes the whole exercise somehow unappealing. But in Lescor's case there likely isn't a ceiling. The man is simply content with the figure.

/Wulfrede
sort of saying to get more , one would have to sacrifice in another area
 
i bet lescor is trading at a level now where the marginal cost in terms of pain of the next unit of risk, equates to the marginal benefit he receives from the next dollar earned.

at a certain point, what IS the point?
 
there is a stress level that spills over into other areas of your life, it's a 24 hr job if you are carrying positions overnight,how much of yourself do you want to expend to get the $$$, and what do you lose in the tradeoff
 
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