Grinding it out, day after day

Quote from saxon22:

Lescor, I understand that you do not trade ES on daily basis. However, since you are in the business, what do you think would work when tackling the ES? How would you approach the futures if you had to make it a go? How do the big boys do it? What in your opinion is the missing link to profitsbility in the ES?

Throw as a bone! :D :D

with respect to lescor's thread and focus, if I may...

the key to profitability in ES or any futures market is simple, easy and has been expounded upon publicly, time and time again.

retail traders with modest to moderate accounts must target profitable swings that cover several index points' relative to risk stops that are 1/2, 1/3 or even 1/4 the targeted profit size.

that means some method of filtering overall price direction and riding it when direction exists. that means accepting net-loss days when direction does not exist.

the key to profitability in ES or any futures market is simple, easy, expounded upon time and time again... but it's a message that falls (for the most part) on deaf ears because the ears don't want to listen.

The majority of futures traders want to play emini-nintendo, banging in & out of the market dozens of times daily with fantasies of scalpy profits and nil losses. So the majority of futures traders cater to their fantasies, repeatedly fail and continue to pound their heads against cement ceilings until they give up and walk away.

lescor is a shining example of what profitable traders do: they have controlled loss days overshadowed by large-win days that push the week profitable more often than not. how simple is that lesson for all of us in this profession with zero exceptions... including the OP himself?
 
Corey,

Unless mistaken, don't think I saw this answered in the thread . . .

What's your opinion on fixed targets vs playing for a runner?

Do you have criteria to exit a trade or do you let the market take you out based on how you manage stops?

Thanks again for taking time to create a great thread when so few exist. Maybe a few other successful traders will follow your lead after this.

Best.

J. Scott
 
Quote from austinp:

with respect to lescor's thread and focus, if I may...

the key to profitability in ES or any futures market is simple, easy and has been expounded upon publicly, time and time again.

retail traders with modest to moderate accounts must target profitable swings that cover several index points' relative to risk stops that are 1/2, 1/3 or even 1/4 the targeted profit size.

that means some method of filtering overall price direction and riding it when direction exists. that means accepting net-loss days when direction does not exist.

the key to profitability in ES or any futures market is simple, easy, expounded upon time and time again... but it's a message that falls (for the most part) on deaf ears because the ears don't want to listen.

The majority of futures traders want to play emini-nintendo, banging in & out of the market dozens of times daily with fantasies of scalpy profits and nil losses. So the majority of futures traders cater to their fantasies, repeatedly fail and continue to pound their heads against cement ceilings until they give up and walk away.

lescor is a shining example of what profitable traders do: they have controlled loss days overshadowed by large-win days that push the week profitable more often than not. how simple is that lesson for all of us in this profession with zero exceptions... including the OP himself?


Austin, I appreciate your input into the matter and I would not disagree with you even if I had as many trades under my belt as you have. I am glad you summarized the gist of riding the ES horse without being kicked off. Hats off to you for providing the info.
 
Quote from saxon22:

Austin, I appreciate your input into the matter and I would not disagree with you even if I had as many trades under my belt as you have. I am glad you summarized the gist of riding the ES horse without being kicked off. Hats off to you for providing the info.

Right now the ES is a tough, tough critter. Volatile, directional markets are inefficient: dull, sideways, low energy markets are efficient if we define the term "efficient markets" as a measure of available profit potential against risk involved.

The ES in particular and emini markets in general move far enough to hit stops either side, but not far enough to reach profit objectives that create a lasting edge thru long periods intraday. In other words, they chop hard.

imo the best (and possibly only) long-term solution to that for retail traders is some sort of trend filtration approach that identifies overall intraday direction. Then manage risk by scaling <i>into</i> a position in harmony with trend: 1/2 size into pullbacks aka "wholesale" entry and 1/2 size added as price moves in favor of direction bias once the first 1/2 position has stop moved to par for risk removed on that part.

The overall trade management system takes advantage of any directional movement by holding full-strength leverage into that bias strength while defending against persistent chop by only taking half-strength losses on stops.

Sideways chop days that go nowhere = controlled losses at the end. Any type of intraday directional swing = potential for larger relative gains riding along with market bias.

Unless someone can magically transport us all back to March 29th, 2008 and live thru that ride one more time, we've got to work with what conditions exist. But the same approach works all the time in all markets without exception: seek and find directional bias when it exists and ride with full leverage. Tread thru sideways congestion with smaller losses. That includes rtm tactics catching turns from extremes AND includes straight trend swings alike.

That's it for me on this topic, thread is lescor's journal and what he has to share on stocks, his trading, his results and his life's journey remains primary focus :)
 
Quote from lescor:

+8900 gross for the week, 519,000 shares traded. Daily p/l +13, +2, -2, 0, -4

Monday was great, had a lot of longs for the nice rally we had. The rest of the week pretty much sucked. Still trading the first hour or so then not much after that. Implemented a new strategy this week that lost money every day, figures. Not much going on today but I seemed to be on the wrong side in almost everything.

Lescor,

How many different strategies do you use during the day? Do they all contribute to bottom line equally or most profits come from one or two strategies?
 
Quote from jones247:

your gains this week are still better than most traders experience in more than a month...

Walt

I would say it is likely his gains this week are more than most traders in their lifetime so far...
 
Quote from boba15:

Lescor, before you open a position following one of your RTM strategies, do you examine and pay any attention to the longer term trend of the stock?

Would you only enter in the direction of that long term trend if it existed? Or would you enter only in the absence of the main trend?

Do you think that direction of the long term trend is important in RTM strategies at all?

Thanks.

I look at the daily chart but only to see if it's done something really unusual lately. Like if a stock has moved up 20% in a few days and starts selling off, I'd be wary of going long because on the daily chart it might be ready for a pullback. I also will adjust my size down if the stock has had a big increase in volatility. I don't really pay any attention to what the long term trend is.
 
Quote from JScott:


What's your opinion on fixed targets vs playing for a runner?

Do you have criteria to exit a trade or do you let the market take you out based on how you manage stops?

Most of my profitable exits are either at a target or a time out. I have a hard time being patient enough to hold on for a trend to develop. More accurately, I haven't put the time in to come up with a method to hold on for a trend to develop.
 
Quote from turbodog:

Lescor,

How many different strategies do you use during the day? Do they all contribute to bottom line equally or most profits come from one or two strategies?

It depends on the day and what opportunities come up. Most days 3 or 4. I think I've employed 7 or 8 this year at one time or another.

I posted earlier the break down percentage-wise among them. This year about 70% of my total is from two strategies.
 
Quote from austinp:

Right now the ES is a tough, tough critter. Volatile, directional markets are inefficient: dull, sideways, low energy markets are efficient if we define the term "efficient markets" as a measure of available profit potential against risk involved.

The ES in particular and emini markets in general move far enough to hit stops either side, but not far enough to reach profit objectives that create a lasting edge thru long periods intraday. In other words, they chop hard.

imo the best (and possibly only) long-term solution to that for retail traders is some sort of trend filtration approach that identifies overall intraday direction. Then manage risk by scaling <i>into</i> a position in harmony with trend: 1/2 size into pullbacks aka "wholesale" entry and 1/2 size added as price moves in favor of direction bias once the first 1/2 position has stop moved to par for risk removed on that part.

The overall trade management system takes advantage of any directional movement by holding full-strength leverage into that bias strength while defending against persistent chop by only taking half-strength losses on stops.

Sideways chop days that go nowhere = controlled losses at the end. Any type of intraday directional swing = potential for larger relative gains riding along with market bias.

Unless someone can magically transport us all back to March 29th, 2008 and live thru that ride one more time, we've got to work with what conditions exist. But the same approach works all the time in all markets without exception: seek and find directional bias when it exists and ride with full leverage. Tread thru sideways congestion with smaller losses. That includes rtm tactics catching turns from extremes AND includes straight trend swings alike.

That's it for me on this topic, thread is lescor's journal and what he has to share on stocks, his trading, his results and his life's journey remains primary focus :)


Lots of info Austin and all of it useful. I wish I could adhere to some of the points made by you. Like they say: easier said then done, at least in my case.

Profitable trading!
 
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